JHS— NBA Bound

[str8baller 5,528]

3 minutes ago, Scotty R said:

I have not seen any motion offense in the NBA. You keep digging yourself farther and farther in the he with this non sense

Like I said, you don’t watch the NBA then.  I’m not going to do your homework for you. But if you missed the 2012-era Spurs you missed some of the best motion offense ever run. 

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Just now, str8baller said:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/playoffs/2019/06/04/box-and-one-defense-nick-nurse-raptors-warriors-nba-finals/1346818001/ 
 

Bro…I thought you said you watched the NBA?

Bro, not only watch it, worked in the league for 5 years. Been on the team planes, been in the locker rooms during games. 

That's one example, rarely works. There's a reason there was a big article about it rare. 

[WayneFleekHoosier 48,692]

The podcast in question that apparently started this whole thing called Woody’s offense 90’s NBA because of the type of actions they ran to feed the post as first options.  The pin down screens and the pick n roll with high usuage of the midrange. Versus a faster flowing offense with more transition, 3s, and guards getting to the rim to better fit the analytics. 

[Scotty R 2,281]

Just now, str8baller said:

Like I said, you don’t watch the NBA then.  I’m not going to do your homework for you. But if you missed the 2012-era Spurs you missed some of the best motion offense ever run. 

That is 11 years ago, just thinking a high school coach runs more sophisticated offense is total and utter non sense. You was arguing about Woodson and how he used JHS.

 

[Hoosierfan2017 21,911]

15 minutes ago, str8baller said:

Feel free to add substantive thoughts. Let’s start here:  

 

What specifically is antiquated about Woody’s offenses vis a vis the NBA with regard to JHS? That was the original claim. Be very specific. 

Hang on, gotta call up my former high school coach to get his thoughts first. 

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1 minute ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

The podcast in question that apparently started this whole thing called Woody’s offense 90’s NBA because of the type of actions they ran to feed the post as first options.  The pin down screens and the pick n roll with high usuage of the midrange. Versus a faster flowing offense with more transition, 3s, and guards getting to the rim to better fit the analytics. 

Exactly, and like we were saying yesterday, even Woodson has said he hasn't run his NBA style due to his personnel since getting to Indiana. 

This isn't some NBA system that Woodson has run here. 

[WayneFleekHoosier 48,692]

6 minutes ago, BGleas said:

Exactly, and like we were saying yesterday, even Woodson has said he hasn't run his NBA style due to his personnel since getting to Indiana. 

This isn't some NBA system that Woodson has run here. 

They specifically Tailor made it to fit JHS midrange strengths and TJD being the most consistent option on the team that needed touches almost every possession.  Those 2 took a high percentage of the shots by design and it was likely the best option based on personnel.  So, in effect, it was an antiquated style due to post strength, and midrange strengths. Really hoping with X and some shooters we open this MFer up and have some fun.   

Edited April 2, 2023 by WayneFleekHoosier

[str8baller 5,528]

4 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

the pick n roll with high usuage of the midrange.

Finally someone with some substance in this thread instead of simping for bad NBA coaching.  
 

So you’re off the opinion that JHS’s midrange game is due to schematics and from Woody’s offense and not JHS’s personal decision making/abilities?  Please explain…
 

Because I can find good NBA players that rely on the midrange shot as much as him. But it has nothing to do with scheme and everything to do with ability, or lack thereof (…mainly finishing at the rim). 

[WayneFleekHoosier 48,692]

1 minute ago, str8baller said:

Finally someone with some substance in this thread instead of simping for bad NBA coaching.  
 

So you’re off the opinion that JHS’s midrange game is due to schematics and from Woody’s offense and not JHS’s personal decision making/abilities?  Please explain…
 

Because I can find good NBA players that rely on the midrange shot as much as him. But it has nothing to do with scheme and everything to do with ability, or lack thereof (…mainly finishing at the rim). 

See my additional post above.  Answers this question 

[str8baller 5,528]

10 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Hang on, gotta call up my former high school coach to get his thoughts first. 

That’s what I figured.   

[str8baller 5,528]

12 minutes ago, Scotty R said:

That is 11 years ago,

So…. 
 

We’re you not alive and actively watching basketball 11 years ago? 

[str8baller 5,528]

2 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

See my additional post above.  Answers this question 

It doesn’t. What did they specifically do prioritize JHS shooting in the midrange?  Seems to me most of his screens started well out side the 3pt line. 
 

And how is it antiquated in comparison to high volume NBA midrange shooters like Chris Paul and Derozen? 
 

https://hoopshype.com/lists/chris-paul-kevin-durant-nikola-jokic-demar-derozan-midrange/ 
 

Derozen averages 70% of his shots made from the midrange. His coach? “Antiquated” NBA nobody Greg Popovich…

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What a wild take this is lol. Imagine thinking the guy who teaches US History during school hours or is an insurance agent for his day job is running more sophisticated sets with 15-18 year olds vs incredibly well respected basketball minds at the absolute top of their field working with the top 1% of basketball players. This takes the cake.

 

No offense intended to HS basketball coaches with this post, they have to make a living somehow

[Scotty R 2,281]

10 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

They specifically Tailor made it to fit JHS midrange strengths and TJD being the most consistent option on the team that needed touches almost every possession.  Those 2 took a high percentage of the shots by design and it was likely the best option based on personnel.  So, in effect, it was an antiquated style due to post strength, and midrange strengths. Really hoping with X and some shooters we open this MFer up and have some fun.   

Woodson first year at the Knicks as HC they led the league in 3''s attempted and makes and was 5th 3 point percentage. I think they broke the record at the time for most 3 pointers shot in a season 

[Scotty R 2,281]

9 minutes ago, str8baller said:

So…. 
 

We’re you not alive and actively watching basketball 11 years ago? 

I have been watching basketball for over 50 years. Just stating that teams today doesn't run the kind of motion that RMK ran or at all. I loved the NBA for years and have lost interest in it the last 10 or so years.  I still watch a lot of the Pacers game and have seen enough to know they run more sophisticated offense than they do in high school.

[BGleas 7,917]

3 minutes ago, JimmerNoe said:

What a wild take this is lol. Imagine thinking the guy who teaches US History during school hours or is an insurance agent for his day job is running more sophisticated sets with 15-18 year olds vs incredibly well respected basketball minds at the absolute top of their field working with the top 1% of basketball players. This takes the cake.

 

No offense intended to HS basketball coaches with this post, they have to make a living somehow

I have a ton of respect for high school coaches, as I'm sure everyone here does. They give their blood, sweat and tears to the game and the develop of kids for very little in return in terms of money. 

With that said, this take that average high school coaches are better than NBA coaches is one of the most ludicrous takes I've ever read in something like 15 years of posting on these various message boards. 

[Scotty R 2,281]

6 minutes ago, str8baller said:

It doesn’t. What did they specifically do prioritize JHS shooting in the midrange?  Seems to me most of his screens started well out side the 3pt line. 
 

And how is it antiquated in comparison to high volume NBA midrange shooters like Chris Paul and Derozen? 
 

https://hoopshype.com/lists/chris-paul-kevin-durant-nikola-jokic-demar-derozan-midrange/ 
 

Derozen averages 70% of his shots made from the midrange. His coach? “Antiquated” NBA nobody Greg Popovich…

Derozen doesn't play for San Antonio, he now plays for the Bulls. He started with the Raptors so he used his mid range game well before playing for Popovich.

[WayneFleekHoosier 48,692]

6 minutes ago, str8baller said:

It doesn’t. What did they specifically do prioritize JHS shooting in the midrange?  Seems to me most of his screens started well out side the 3pt line. 
 

And how is it antiquated in comparison to high volume NBA midrange shooters like Chris Paul and Derozen? 
 

https://hoopshype.com/lists/chris-paul-kevin-durant-nikola-jokic-demar-derozan-midrange/ 
 

Derozen averages 70% of his shots made from the midrange. His coach? “Antiquated” NBA nobody Greg Popovich…

The antiquated word isn’t mine. It was the podcast with high level scouts and they were using that terminology when discussing JHS.  But the antiquated comments pertained to Indiana’s offense specifically.  
 

If anything I’m defending Woody on here as he coached to player strengths. 
 

But they specifically referenced the actions leading to the post feeds and the type of pin down screens we ran.  
 

you Wild’n out BTW.  

[str8baller 5,528]

1 hour ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

But they specifically referenced the actions leading to the post feeds and the type of pin down screens we ran.

I don’t disagree with those criticisms. But it has very little to do with JHS’s midrange shots. That’s my point.  JHS’s penchant for midrange shots can be attributed to several factors, but scheme really isn’t one of them. 
 

Those scouts were wrong. Typical NBA blogger nonsense.  Thus my point about half of them being worse than Indiana HS coaches.  
 

 

“you Wild’n out BTW.”. 
 

Nah…I once got into a loud argument at the Wooden Classic with a Pacers scout in front of his future boss because he told me Troy Muphy wasn’t a first round player. That one I sort of wish I had back…lol. 

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If the average IN HS coach is better than pro coaches, why are NBA teams not poaching IN HS coaches left and right? Do NBA teams like bad basketball and not winning? Seems like the simple solution for teams that want to improve would be to just hire some IN HS coaches, at least as assistants in offensive or defensive coordinator type positions. I guess this would apply to colleges, too. It must be a well kept secret how great IN HS coaches are although it's surprising that college coaches wouldn't notice when scouting players.