IUBB @ Northwestern - Wednesday, 2/15/23 @ 9:00 ET on BTN

[reconmkd]

1 minute ago, Chris007 said:

I know Scirotto is bad but we need to look at Brian Dorsey also. He has officiated 5 of our games and we have lost 4 of them I believe. I know we lost both NW, @Maryland, and @Rutgers. Our only win he has had is Michigan State. Dude doesn't call anything. The reason you see non-calls like at the end of the game is that officials don't get penalized for calls they don't make. Only wrong calls they do make. 

I mean we got rid of TV Teddy, why can't we get rid of some more?

 

[RaceToTheTop]

3 minutes ago, HoosierAloha said:

Unfortunate the officials were able to guard our FTA and not theirs, you win some and lose some with these officials

Funny how even when I complement something northwestern did you have your same one note response.

[Chris007]

2 minutes ago, reconmkd said:

I mean we got rid of TV Teddy, why can't we get rid of some more?

 

Exactly send them all to ref DeVry vs Lincoln Tech

[RaceToTheTop]

2 minutes ago, reconmkd said:

I mean we got rid of TV Teddy, why can't we get rid of some more?

 

Ultimately Valentine’s undoing wasn’t a call he made….it was his turning his back on a player who wanted to ask him about a call.

[reconmkd]

2 minutes ago, RaceToTheTop said:

Ultimately Valentine’s undoing wasn’t a call he made….it was his turning his back on a player who wanted to ask him about a call.

True but ultimately the B1G made the decision to not hire him back after that. If they can make that decision for an out of conference game, they can make decisions based on the body of work for B1G officials.

 

[RaceToTheTop]

8 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

Yes and also in the NCAA tourney, the Big Ten gets into foul trouble because we're used to playing tackle basketball.

Honestly, there is a reason that Painter has been successful by recruiting seven foot plus big bodied players.  Posts absorb a ton of contact in the Big Ten.  At the same time it’s probably not surprising that it hasn’t helped him in the NCAA tournament once the way the game is played/called changes.

also probably not a surprise that the team he went the farthest with relied on a perimeter scorer to carry the load.

[Alford Bailey]

Too many of our guys not named TJD or JHS play scared on the road. Big reason for the loss. Is there a more disappointing top 30 recruit in the last 30 years than Tamar Bates?

[RaceToTheTop]

Just now, reconmkd said:

True but ultimately the B1G made the decision to not hire him back after that. If they can make that decision for an out of conference game, they can make decisions based on the body of work for B1G officials.

 

I agree.  I was just pointing out that even in the case of a ref like Valentine, he didn’t stop getting hired despite his lack of ability to call the game….instead it was for showing up a player.  Kind of shows how much it takes before the big ten responds.

[Chris007]

1 minute ago, Alford Bailey said:

Too many of our guys not named TJD or JHS play scared on the road. Big reason for the loss. Is there a more disappointing top 30 recruit in the last 30 years than Tamar Bates?

What was Khristian Lander's ranking?

[RaceToTheTop]

2 minutes ago, Alford Bailey said:

Too many of our guys not named TJD or JHS play scared on the road. Big reason for the loss. Is there a more disappointing top 30 recruit in the last 30 years than Tamar Bates?

Well, Khristain Lander comes to mind.

Bates’ issues seem to all come on the road.  Have no idea why, but that’s the pattern that needs fixed.

[Hovadipo]

7 minutes ago, RaceToTheTop said:

Ultimately Valentine’s undoing wasn’t a call he made….it was his turning his back on a player who wanted to ask him about a call.

It’s kinda wild how disrespectful refs are to players and coaches. I know they catch their fair share of hell, but Woody doesn’t get his T last night if the ref engages instead of giving him the cold shoulder. Seemed intentional/baiting. 

[RaceToTheTop]

1 minute ago, Chris007 said:

What was Khristian Lander's ranking?

27 on 247

[HoosierAloha]

22 minutes ago, RaceToTheTop said:

Northwestern going 14 of 14 from the line was huge.  Guess we need to work on that free throw defense.

 

9 minutes ago, RaceToTheTop said:

Funny how even when I complement something northwestern did you have your same one note response.

Dish it out and then play the victim. Solid A for effort there.

Glad the coaching staff jumped to give the NW those FT opportunities. I guess we could just blame it all on the officials for getting in the way of Woody trying to walk the sideline.

[Uspshoosier]

51 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

I agree I think they are trying but my problem with it is, how is it going to change when you keep sending the same officials out there each game? They have to identify which officials like Scirotto keep giving them problems and eliminate them. I always thought Wymer was a good official so hopefully, he can turn this around. But the people who don't think the officiating is hurting the conference couldn't be more wrong. 

Certain coaches will fight until the end to keep the league this way.    It’s their best chance at job security.    Can’t blame Collins for fighting for his coaching job.  He knew the only way to be competitive is to play this style.  No on here gave a crap but northwestern hacked edey the whole game.   Especially the second half.   It is what it is right now.    Coaches either play this way to contend in the B1G or play a different style and survive and hope that serves them better for March.    Bieliens teams has had the most success in the B1G and I feel it’s because his teams played a different style that was better fit for actual basketball.    Off the top of my head B1G teams in the tourney have lost to these double digit seeds in recent memory North Texas, Little Rock, Middle Tenn, Oral Robert’s, St. Peter’s, Richmond and throw in Loyola which was a 8 or 9 seed.   I’m sure there is more.  It’s not a talent problem for the B1G winning in March because none of those teams mentioned should be in the same group as B1G teams.    Lower seeds lick their chops when they see a B1G team in their bracket because they know style of play will give them a chance.    Last year 1 team made it to the second weekend and that was a double seeded Michigan team with a different style.    I’ve watched the B1G my whole life and for the last couple years I’d rather watch the Sec, Big 12, ACC or Big East if I have a choice.   B1G games go on the secondary tv if there are other games on at the same time in those other conferences 

[RaceToTheTop]

1 minute ago, HoosierAloha said:

 

Dish it out and then play the victim. Solid A for effort there.

Glad the coaching staff jumped to give the NW those FT opportunities. I guess we could just blame it all on the officials for getting in the way of Woody trying to walk the sideline.

Even in hyperbole you can’t change your one note.

[reconmkd]

1 minute ago, HoosierAloha said:

 

Dish it out and then play the victim. Solid A for effort there.

Glad the coaching staff jumped to give the NW those FT opportunities. I guess we could just blame it all on the officials for getting in the way of Woody trying to walk the sideline.

Well the bench is "tech"nically responsible for 4, if not 6, of those 14 freethrows?

[RaceToTheTop]

4 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

Certain coaches will fight until the end to keep the league this way.    It’s their best chance at job security.    Can’t blame Collins for fighting for his coaching job.  He knew the only way to be competitive is to play this style.  No on here gave a crap but northwestern hacked edey the whole game.   Especially the second half.   It is what it is right now.    Coaches either play this way to contend in the B1G or play a different style and survive and hope that serves them better for March.    Bieliens teams has had the most success in the B1G and I feel it’s because his teams played a different style that was better fit for actual basketball.    Off the top of my head B1G teams in the tourney have lost to these double digit seeds in recent memory North Texas, Little Rock, Middle Tenn, Oral Robert’s, St. Peter’s, Richmond and throw in Loyola which was a 8 or 9 seed.   I’m sure there is more.  It’s not a talent problem for the B1G winning in March because none of those teams mentioned should be in the same group as B1G teams.    Lower seeds lick their chops when they see a B1G team in their bracket because they know style of play will give them a chance.    Last year 1 team made it to the second weekend and that was a double seeded Michigan team with a different style.    I’ve watched the B1G my whole life and for the last couple years I’d rather watch the Sec, Big 12, ACC or Big East if I have a choice.   B1G games go on the secondary tv if there  are other games on at the same time in those other conferences 

I started watching a lot of Big East and late night Mountain West games the last two years.  It’s eye opening how different the products are and it doesn’t have anything to do with the talent level.

[RaceToTheTop]

In the end, it’s still been a really nice run and I’m glad that what we are arguing over are one point road losses to tourney teams as opposed to five game losing streaks.

[HoosierAloha]

5 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

Certain coaches will fight until the end to keep the league this way.    It’s their best chance at job security.    Can’t blame Collins for fighting for his coaching job.  He knew the only way to be competitive is to play this style.  No on here gave a crap but northwestern hacked edey the whole game.   Especially the second half.   It is what it is right now.    Coaches either play this way to contend in the B1G or play a different style and survive and hope that serves them better for March.    Bieliens teams has had the most success in the B1G and I feel it’s because his teams played a different style that was better fit for actual basketball.    Off the top of my head B1G teams in the tourney have lost to these double digit seeds in recent memory North Texas, Little Rock, Middle Tenn, Oral Robert’s, St. Peter’s, Richmond and throw in Loyola which was a 8 or 9 seed.   I’m sure there is more.  It’s not a talent problem for the B1G winning in March because none of those teams mentioned should be in the same group as B1G teams.    Lower seeds lick their chops when they see a B1G team in their bracket because they know style of play will give them a chance.    Last year 1 team made it to the second weekend and that was a double seeded Michigan team with a different style.    I’ve watched the B1G my whole life and for the last couple years I’d rather watch the Sec, Big 12, ACC or Big East if I have a choice.   B1G games go on the secondary tv if their are other games on at the same time in those other conferences 

I remember hearing analysts mention how team x can't wait to get to the tourney so they're not playing conference foes. The translation there was they play a different style that is more conducive to winning than football on the hardwood. As long as the Big 1.o keeps bringing in the $$$ and coaches like Painter, Izzo, and whoever is at Wiscy has influence we'll have this type of "basketball."

[HoosierAloha]

7 minutes ago, RaceToTheTop said:

Even in hyperbole you can’t change your one note.