IUBB @ Northwestern - Wednesday, 2/15/23 @ 9:00 ET on BTN

[Uspshoosier]

Heck of an effort to save some of those efficiency numbers.   Shouldn’t take too big of hit.   
 

5 games teams play out of their minds, 5 games teams look like crap and they rest of the games they are what they are.   It  happens to every team and every teams message board have post like what’s in here.    Par the course.   Win at home against Illinois or don’t and have a 2 game road trip after.   

[HoosierAloha]

6 minutes ago, TheWatShot said:

We must have some real loose cannons on the bench during games. I think this was at least the third time this year we've had a bench technical. 

Probably just the refs

Lack of discipline on the bench looks like the lack of discipline chucking the ball around.

[kreigh8]

1 minute ago, str8baller said:

I honestly don’t remember. Generally it seems if it happens more than once a season it is an anomaly. Having it happen multiple times might warrant a change. 

I just really only see Walsh and Rosemond standing besides Woodson on the bench during games unless Hulls is on the bench. Rosemond is far more demonstrative between he and Walsh so just assumed it’s been Yasir collecting these Ts. The other one I know was X and the ref oddly went across the sideline to scold X and then gave him a T which was very bizarre

[rcbowla]

Yea…even the announcers were skeptical it warranted a second T. Letter of the law, I suppose, but you generally don’t see it. 

Yeah I mean it was a human nature way of getting someone's attention. Thought the whole thing was kinda bogus and TV Teddy like.

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[Banksyrules]

4 minutes ago, HoosierAloha said:

We can control turning the ball over (13 in this one), leaving shooters WIDE OPEN, giving e and e, c and c, i and i, and so on for the other 60-70 possessions.

Keep focusing on the extremely small %, but about that, Trey did control getting in front of him (that's great!), much better than Kopp getting stuck in first gear, but didn't stop him. If we would have controlled what we could control for the majority of the game we win this going away, ditto for the game against NW in Assembly Hall.

A couple out of 60+ ain't bad though

 

 

But we could’nt control that. They were straight up hacking arms in the first half. Tough to even build tempo or composure when you don’t even get a chance. 

[cleeter]

It wasn't sarcasm and the contact by Woody then changed the call (by that definition you provided) to cost IU a team foul. So the index finger of Mike Woodson was the deciding factor tonight. Again not sarcasm when it's the truth.

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Sorry about that, I mistook what you said then. what I am saying is from what commentators said, two technicals were called. A Class B on the bench during a live ball scenario (1 free throw, no team personal foul) and then a separate class A on woody after that for touching Ref (2 FT and a personal fouls). So Team fouls should have then moved from 5 total to 6 total and 3 free throws awarded. Instead, They got 2 free throws for each technical and then team fouls went from 5 to 7 and then they got 2 more from 1-1. So should have had 3 but got 6. I could be wrong in this, I am just trying to clarify if they messed up and didn’t interpret rules correctly or if I missed something.


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[rcbowla]

I just really only see Walsh and Rosemond standing besides Woodson on the bench during games unless Hulls is on the bench. Rosemond is far more demonstrative between he and Walsh so just assumed it’s been Yasir collecting these Ts. The other one I know was X and the ref oddly went across the sideline to scold X and then gave him a T which was very bizarre

Pretty sure Hunter had the 1st one. I could be wrong as I've learned (from my wife) that I often am.

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[RaceToTheTop]

8 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

Maybe. I am hesitant to get too into the excitement of the good after any good times because I am just waiting for the shoe to drop like it did tonight so that’s probably fair. 

And when the shoe didn't drop in 8 of the last 9 games, was it worth waiting for it?

Seems pretty silly to watch something that you are so negative about.  Sounds like a miserable point of view.

[str8baller]

1 minute ago, Uspshoosier said:

Heck of an effort to save some of those efficiency numbers.   Shouldn’t take too big of hit.   
 

5 games teams play out of their minds, 5 games teams look like crap and they rest of the games they are what they are.   It’s happens to every team and every teams message board have post like what’s in here.    Par the course.   Win at home against Illinois or don’t and have a 2 game road trip after.   

Yep. Heck this loss probably doesn’t hurt us any more than UVA’s three point win at L’ville in efficiency metrics.  
 

Basically this game and Michigan came down to last sec def possessions. Won one. Lost one. About par for the course. Losing still stinks, but we’re not a top ten team. It won’t be the last one. 

[Banksyrules]

Honestly by people just saying we control what we can control… you’re kind permitting this bad officiating  to happen again. I agree like in the Penn State game that was all on us but this one is so egregiously bad that it really did determine the outcome. 

[HoosierAloha]

1 minute ago, Uspshoosier said:

Heck of an effort to save some of those efficiency numbers.   Shouldn’t take too big of hit.   
 

5 games teams play out of their minds, 5 games teams look like crap and they rest of the games they are what they are.   It’s happens to every team and every teams message board have post like what’s in here.    Par the course.   Win at home against Illinois or don’t and have a 2 game road trip after.   

What games are we putting in which category?

Rutger, Kansas, Penn State, Minny, majority of 3/4 halves against NW definitely come to mind as turd layers.

Xavier, @Ill, and the majority of the purdoodoo games are playing out of our minds

[rcbowla]

Sorry about that, I mistook what you said then. what I am saying is from what commentators said, two technicals were called. A Class B on the bench during a live ball scenario (1 free throw, no team personal foul) and then a separate class A on woody after that for touching Ref (2 FT and a personal fouls). So Team fouls should have then moved from 5 total to 6 total and 3 free throws awarded. Instead, They got 2 free throws for each technical and then team fouls went from 5 to 7 and then they got 2 more from 1-1. So should have had 3 but got 6. I could be wrong in this, I am just trying to clarify if they messed up and didn’t interpret rules correctly or if I missed something.


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Ok then in that scenario I got it screwed up and you're correct we got hosed.

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[Hoosier987]

Just now, Banksyrules said:

Honestly by people just saying we control what we can control… you’re kind permitting this bad officiating  to happen again. I agree like in the Penn State game that was all on us but this one is so egregiously bad that it really did determine the outcome. 

Bad refereeing has been a constant but it’s been noticeably worse in recent years and 2023 is no exception. NCAA needs to do something…far too many times the refs determine the outcome and there’s no doubt this was one of those games. NW got away with practically everything. An even whistle and we win this game by ten plus points. 

[RaceToTheTop]

2 minutes ago, cleeter said:

Sorry about that, I mistook what you said then. what I am saying is from what commentators said, two technicals were called. A Class B on the bench during a live ball scenario (1 free throw, no team personal foul) and then a separate class A on woody after that for touching Ref (2 FT and a personal fouls). So Team fouls should have then moved from 5 total to 6 total and 3 free throws awarded. Instead, They got 2 free throws for each technical and then team fouls went from 5 to 7 and then they got 2 more from 1-1. So should have had 3 but got 6. I could be wrong in this, I am just trying to clarify if they messed up and didn’t interpret rules correctly or if I missed something.


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They received four free throws.  Bench technicals are Class A technicals unless it was for something like being outside of the coach's box, in which case it is a Class B.  Unsportsmanlike conduct technicals on the bench, like vulgariy or whatever, are Class A.  So the correct number of free throws (4) were shot.

[iubb]

Bad refereeing has been a constant but it’s been noticeably worse in recent years and 2023 is no exception. NCAA needs to do something…far too many times the refs determine the outcome and there’s no doubt this was one of those games. NW got away with practically everything. An even whistle and we win this game by ten plus points. 

It feels like the only way the NCAA will realize it has a gambling. I mean officiating problem is when its forced to realize and forced to change.

Just like the NIL. Without SCOTUS and local governments leading the charge The NCAA would still be suspending players for being given a free cheeseburger.


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[colonel06]

Team only scoring in low 60’s lately. Are we too tired?

[Brass Cannon]

14 minutes ago, RaceToTheTop said:

I'm sorry you've regressed.

How cute. Thinking your perfect. Blaming others.  Thinking everything is somebody else’s fault.  Those won’t serve you well in life 

[cleeter]

They received four free throws.  Bench technicals are Class A technicals unless it was for something like being outside of the coach's box, in which case it is a Class B.  Unsportsmanlike conduct technicals on the bench, like vulgariy or whatever, are Class A.  So the correct number of free throws (4) were shot.

Okay, so that would also give them the 1-1 and all 6 would be correct call. I just went off what Robbie was saying about Class A on Woody and he called the bench one a Class B. So maybe he misspoke or maybe I just heard him wrong. I’ll admit I’m not expert at all on that, so with your clarification, it does make sense. So thank you for explaining that.


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[HoosierAloha]

3 minutes ago, Banksyrules said:

But we could’nt control that. They were straight up hacking arms in the first half. Tough to even build tempo or composure when you don’t even get a chance. 

NW made JHS toss a lob off the backboard? They guarded those FTs extremely well in the first half? They made Gallo throw that pass over Race's head when they weren't near him? They made TJD dribble off his leg when the defender was on the other side of him? (and then giggle about another TO, where have we seen that before..?)

Life on the road in the Big 1.o is difficult, that much more when they're not at the bottom half of the league. You control what you can control (i.e. not tossing it all over the gym, hitting your free throws, making sure your opponent isn't WIDE OPEN)

Paraphrasing here - you know you'll get open looks against Indiana because they have their weak side defender on the nail (this has been something we've done all season and it's bit us several times because our guards and small wings struggle to keep the better guards in the league in front of us.)

[Brass Cannon]

10 minutes ago, Banksyrules said:

Honestly by people just saying we control what we can control… you’re kind permitting this bad officiating  to happen again. I agree like in the Penn State game that was all on us but this one is so egregiously bad that it really did determine the outcome. 

What can the team or even the fans do to control that?