*RANT HERE*

[IndyResident16 567]

4 minutes ago, IU-DL said:

Explain free throws then.

100% mental and lack of discipline/accountability. They aren't missing free throws because they're too strong.

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Giving Woody a buy out and some sort of emeritus role where he can pop into practice every now and then or help do some developmental work on the side with guys 1 on 1, would be great. Hate to have that tone with so much season left but after last night hard for your mind not to go immediately toward what we're doing in the offseason, where the program goes from here, etc.

[KYHoosier 338]

I will admit I was extremely disappointment when Woody was hired but he has done better than I expected him too when he was brought in. By all accounts, he seems like a very likable person outside of bball and has done well with trying to bring in high end talent and connecting with HS recruits.

The thing I never understood about the hire was the fact that he put his name into consideration when we ended up hiring Archie but was never really taken serious for the position at that time. Fast forward a few years later, and he becomes the guy. Does not make any sense how he becomes so high on the list a few years later with the same qualifications outside of us panicking after Stevens said no. Additionally, he is 65 with no college coaching experience, making the hire extremely head scratching to me. Over the past few years, we have seen Woody continuously mismanage games and last night was no different. I do not see him ever taking this program on a deep run in the tournament and obviously is not the long term solution. Even if we land Queen, I do not see next year being any different than this year. If IU was serious about winning, they would move off from him this offseason.

As far as the next coach of IU goes, I agree that they would not hire Beard but he would win big here. I'm not sure IU can afford to roll the dice on a guy like Dusty May. He had a nice run in the tournament last year but he has no track record of winning at a P5 school. He feels less proven than Archie did when he was hired. IU has to go out and land a coach that is already established in the college game. They have to be willing to spend the big time money it takes to land one of them. 

Edited January 17 by KYHoosier

[Hornsby 1,652]

While it’s possible he will be back, It feels more likely that Woody won’t be the coach after this season.
And if I were a betting man, I’d say it’s more likely that Dusty May will be the coach than Woody by the end of April.
 

I hope you are right I don't see it working out with Woodson just like he knew early on archie wasnt the guy. We need somebody who is actually going to build a culture and implement a real college system.

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1 minute ago, southernindianahoosier2 said:

A couple of quick questions for you….

what is the opportunity cost of waiting? Missing out on beard and May? What is May goes to Louisville, or UNC?
 

Do you want to win a championship or not?

All of the greatest winners are overcompensating for some sort of trauma. If everything is a trade off, what are you willing to trade for a championship?

Yeah not this though.  I was involved with UNC and DUKE and yeah you need to be sneaky win in the NCAA buuuuuuuuut there is a balance.  This guy has a serious issue with women. That does not work work in a university atmosphere.  The SEC would sell their own mothers to win. I just think there's a line and if he gets hired I'm definitely out.  Somethings are just more important than sports.  

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11 hours ago, Hornsby said:

Correct but I meant like toxic ugly.

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From where I am sitting, it's quite toxic... and not seeing much chance for that to change... the torches and pitchforks are coming out next... then what, maybe a few "for sale" signs in his yard?

[IndyResident16 567]

1 minute ago, AZ Hoosier said:

From where I am sitting, it's quite toxic... and not seeing much chance for that to change... the torches and pitchforks are coming out next... then what, maybe a few "for sale" signs in his yard?

Yeah we lose by 15-20 to Illinois and Wisconsin these next two games and it's going to go off the rails quickly. 

[BleedCubbieBlue 1,395]

4 minutes ago, KYHoosier said:

I will admit I was extremely disappointment when Woody was hired but he has done better than I expected him too when he was brought in. By all accounts, he seems like a very likable person outside of bball and has done well with trying to bring in high end talent and collecting with HS recruits.

The thing I never understood about the hire was the fact that he put his name into consideration when we ended up hiring Archie but was never really taken serious for the position at that time. Fast forward a few years later, and he becomes the guy. Does not make any sense how he becomes so high on the list a few years later with the same qualifications outside of us panicking after Stevens said no. Additionally, he is 65 with no college coaching experience, making the hire extremely head scratching to me. Over the past few years, we have seen Woody continuously mismanage games and last night was no different. I do not see him ever taking this program on a deep run in the tournament and obviously is not the long term solution. Even if we land Queen, I do not see next year being any different than this year. If IU was serious about winning, they would move off from him this offseason.

As far as the next coach of IU goes, I agree that they would not hire Beard but he would win big here. I'm not sure IU can afford to roll the dice on a guy like Dusty May. He had a nice run in the tournament last year but he has no track record of winning at a P5 school. He feels less proven than Archie did when he was hired. IU has to go out and land a coach that is already established in the college game. They have to be willing to spend the big time money it takes to land one of them. 

I think that a major factor in IU hiring Mike Woodson was the success that Juwan Howard had at Michigan at the time Woody was hired.

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1 minute ago, BleedCubbieBlue said:

I think that a major factor in IU hiring Mike Woodson was the success that Juwan Howard had at Michigan at the time Woody was hired.

I’ve been saying this for years, but IU seems to do everything Michigan does just a few years later. 

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From where I am sitting, it's quite toxic... and not seeing much chance for that to change... the torches and pitchforks are coming out next... then what, maybe a few "for sale" signs in his yard?

I just don't see how he turns it around he will need to land at least 5 portal players and has shown no ability to get portal guards so far. His fall recruiting basically stinks and he has to fill the roster in the spring now. That's not how you build a program imo.

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I think that a major factor in IU hiring Mike Woodson was the success that Juwan Howard had at Michigan at the time Woody was hired.

Yep that I plus Buckner and the old guard pushing him. They had delusions of 1976 banners in their heads I guess.

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2 minutes ago, Hornsby said:

Yep that I plus Buckner and the old guard pushing him. They had delusions of 1976 banners in their heads I guess.

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Let's not forget that we also brought Thad Matta in to help Woody adjust to the college game and also brought in Fife as the heir apparent.

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7 minutes ago, BleedCubbieBlue said:

Let's not forget that we also brought Thad Matta in to help Woody adjust to the college game and also brought in Fife as the heir apparent.

And Woodson ran both of them off. Fife has said as much as Woody refused to hear his voice... and was dismissive of everything he (Fife) tried to do or suggest.

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1 minute ago, BleedCubbieBlue said:

Let's not forget that we also brought Thad Matta in to help Woody adjust to the college game and also brought in Fife as the heir apparent.

IU candidates were Thad, Woody, and Fife… and we did hire all 3.. not sure what having only those 3 as candidates says about the program

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4 hours ago, Stuhoo said:

While it’s possible he will be back, It feels more likely that Woody won’t be the coach after this season.

And if I were a betting man, I’d say it’s more likely that Dusty May will be the coach than Woody by the end of April.

 

Wishful thinking. I think Woodson is too stubborn and has too much of an ego to resign/retire after the season. He won't be fired.

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Let's not forget that we also brought Thad Matta in to help Woody adjust to the college game and also brought in Fife as the heir apparent.

Woodson ran them both off. He had no interest in what they had to say

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3 minutes ago, AZ Hoosier said:

And Woodson ran both of them off. Fife has said as much as Woody refused to here his voice... and was dismissive of everything he (Fife) tried to do or suggest.

I am just trying to provide the entire context for why we hired Woody. I think that people forget all of the factors that were in play.

1. We thought we had Brad Stevens and when bailed on us we were left scrambling.
2. Juwan Howard had just finished a really good season at Michigan, and we thought we could replicate that.
3. We brought in a great college basketball mind with Thad Matta to teach Woody the ropes.
4. We brought in the heir apparent with Dane Fife to take over when Woody left.
5. Former players were pushing hard for IU to hire Woody.
6. We just paid a whole lot of money to Archie to leave.
7. Woody wasn't going to make us back up the Brinks truck

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32 minutes ago, IndyResident16 said:

100% mental and lack of discipline/accountability. They aren't missing free throws because they're too strong.

7 years of consistent mental and discipline issues showing up in shooting percentages across the board....come on my man.

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3 hours ago, Rico said:

Whatever

You think he will up and quit?  I think if he has a bad year he will want to stick around to show an improvement before he would voluntarily leave.

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10 minutes ago, IU-DL said:

7 years of consistent mental and discipline issues showing up in shooting percentages across the board....come on my man.

Come on what? When you don't run an offense designed to get shooters open looks you typically don't shoot well. This predates Woodson's tenure. It's not that hard to justify. Blaming the S&C is the easy way out. Start demanding accountability for mental lapses at the line and you'll start to see results. It'd also help if the staff started prioritizing skill over length and athleticism out on the perimeter.