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[Scotty R 2,127]

It just shows you how bad our roster is when we are arguing who should be getting playing time between Leal and Gunn. On a really good team neither would see the court at a power conference team 

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2 hours ago, Ngw7183 said:

too many think when he laughed walking off etc. that he is a jerk. Doesn’t care etc. come on. No, he is filled with anxiety. He is sensitive. That is a nervous laugh. He knows how much 90% of this fanbase is mad at him. He knows he has messed up a few times. He is so hard on himself.

After a 6-year college career of pulling the same crap, he should be filled with anxiety. He should be embarrassed. Anyone with a conscience would have shown a little remorse and embarrassment while being escorted out of the arena.

There may be a lot going on under the surface, but "hard on himself" is, IMO, not one of his issues.

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11 minutes ago, Scotty R said:

It just shows you how bad our roster is when we are arguing who should be getting playing time between Leal and Gunn. On a really good team neither would see the court at a power conference team 

Aren’t we a power conference team?

[Golfman25 4,994]

2 hours ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

I don't think he's gotten the run, green light or confidence given to him to do so. I understand where he is mentally there.

Ok, but at this point what has he got to lose, playing time?   Get in, put up a quick 12, and dare the coach to take you out.  

[HoosierHoopster 6,761]

2 hours ago, tkbbn said:

I think CMW knows what he wants in a roster but unfortunately he can't recruit well enough to get there. He gets some top prospects but not enough to put it all together and he isn't a good enough coach to overcome the lack of physical talent we don't have. We have some athletes on this team but they aren't becoming basketball players very quickly and that very well could be on the coaching staff. Not communicating what they actually need to do in a way the players can understand. Plenty of size and quickness to rebound but unfortunately we are terrible at it. That is just one example. Also think the players are timid at this time, maybe afraid to make a mistake and that causes hesitation. They all need to relax and play basketball, get back to the basics and do the little things. Play lockdown defense, rebound the ball and let the offense take care of itself. Get out in transition more and run. Yes we will make some mistakes but it will get better. Let the defense and rebounding cover the offensive mistakes we make.

Bolded above because I have been seeing this part similarly. And JMO, it may be in a way from Woodson a carry over from RMK. RMK strongly emphasized not making mistakes and would yank a guy if he made one including shooting when, in his motion offense, it was too early or in RMK's opinion ill advised. Not meaning this as a knock on RMK (though it got bad in the late 90s), but maybe that has shaped the way Woodson is coaching on the offensive end right now. What I see is minimally a lack of encouraging players to take the outside shot -- the timidity / fear of making a mistake may be driven by coaching not to make a mistake. We need to shoot more, that's clear. And we should be playing loose, attack the basket, play inside-out, freely.

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2 hours ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

Instilling confidence in your players. Jimmy SEC brought it up during the Auburn game about how Pearl does it. I don't feel Woody does that. It should be burned into these dudes brains, if you're wide open, shoot the ball. Hell shoot the ball if you're just open any. I think Cream was the same. If you have space, shoot the ball. Our guys only do if they are wide wide open.

Often time a good shot is determined by the talent of the shooter.  We have seen guys that can't miss, defended, blind folded, from the balcony.  Then there are those that airball free throws.  :)   Play within yourself would go a long way.  

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich 8,607]

Just now, Golfman25 said:

Often time a good shot is determined by the talent of the shooter.  We have seen guys that can't miss, defended, blind folded, from the balcony.  Then there are those that airball free throws.  :)   Play within yourself would go a long way.  

It's one thing for Dipo, Yogi, Blackmon to pull up from 17 feet... It's another when Gunn does it.

[Golfman25 4,994]

1 hour ago, btownqb said:

Respectively, he was never that guy. That wasn't his skillset in HS. 

When he hit 3s.. they were generally wide open because the teams were willing to give those up to him. 

Fair enough.  But if you want to play, that's a role for you.  Work on it, figure it out.  

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1 minute ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

It's one thing for Dipo, Yogi, Blackmon to pull up from 17 feet... It's another when Gunn does it.

Dipo shot in the 20's his soph year. His form was there, he continued to be encouraged to shoot, and he shot in the 40's his jr year. Encourage shooting.

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5 minutes ago, HoosierHoopster said:

Dipo shot in the 20's his soph year. His form was there, he continued to be encouraged to shoot, and he shot in the 40's his jr year. Encourage shooting.

He freaking worked his a$$ off between soph and Jr. year.  Became a beast.  

 A lot of it is basketball IQ.  If I'm less than 30% from three, there is little value in taking a shot with more than 15 seconds on the clock.  Get down to under 7, then shoot away.   If I'm closer to 40%, then bombs away whenever I touch the ball.  

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3 minutes ago, HoosierHoopster said:

Dipo shot in the 20's his soph year. His form was there, he continued to be encouraged to shoot, and he shot in the 40's his jr year. Encourage shooting.

But we are talking about two different coaching staffs and philosophies... I don't think Dipo becomes Dipo under Woody. Crean had something there. Whatever it was.

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3 minutes ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

But we are talking about two different coaching staffs and philosophies... I don't think Dipo becomes Dipo under Woody. Crean had something there. Whatever it was.

Dipo shot 500 shots a day at cook hall in the summer. Crean had nothing to do with that. I used to take my son over to just watch VO workout in the summer. That was all VO wanting to be great and IU having to facilities to let him do it

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8 minutes ago, HoosierHoopster said:

Bolded above because I have been seeing this part similarly. And JMO, it may be in a way from Woodson a carry over from RMK. RMK strongly emphasized not making mistakes and would yank a guy if he made one including shooting when, in his motion offense, it was too early or in RMK's opinion ill advised. Not meaning this as a knock on RMK (though it got bad in the late 90s), but maybe that has shaped the way Woodson is coaching on the offensive end right now. What I see is minimally a lack of encouraging players to take the outside shot -- the timidity / fear of making a mistake may be driven by coaching not to make a mistake. We need to shoot more, that's clear. And we should be playing loose, attack the basket, play inside-out, freely.

It very well could be, I wish he would have carried over the defense mindset along with rebounding as well. I believe that RMK was definitely better structured. Every player knew exactly what was expected from them. The game planning was always solid. 

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14 minutes ago, Golfman25 said:

Fair enough.  But if you want to play, that's a role for you.  Work on it, figure it out.  

No argument there.  

[IU - Kaulie 1,891]

6 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

Dipo shot 500 shots a day at cook hall in the summer. Crean had nothing to do with that. I used to take my son over to just watch VO workout in the summer. That was all VO wanting to be great and IU having to facilities to let him do it

Hulls was similar.  I’m sure we have some guys now that put in the work but I don’t hear about it on that kind of level as VO or Hulls.  I’m not on campus anymore but I know/heard JHS put a lot of time in and Durham before that but the time Dipo put in was legendary.

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29 minutes ago, IU - Kaulie said:

Hulls was similar.  I’m sure we have some guys now that put in the work but I don’t hear about it on that kind of level as VO or Hulls.  I’m not on campus anymore but I know/heard JHS put a lot of time in and Durham before that but the time Dipo put in was legendary.

I believe that DeVonte Green put up a **** ton of shots in the summer as well.  Unfortunately he never distinguished in a game that not all shots should be taken.

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50 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

Dipo shot 500 shots a day at cook hall in the summer. Crean had nothing to do with that. I used to take my son over to just watch VO workout in the summer. That was all VO wanting to be great and IU having to facilities to let him do it

Then someone needs to tell CJ to get his @$$ in the gym.

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I believe that DeVonte Green put up a **** ton of shots in the summer as well.  Unfortunately he never distinguished in a game that not all shots should be taken.

Nope and he was infuriating at times but my goodness what I would give to have him on this roster right meow.

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Hulls was similar.  I’m sure we have some guys now that put in the work but I don’t hear about it on that kind of level as VO or Hulls.  I’m not on campus anymore but I know/heard JHS put a lot of time in and Durham before that but the time Dipo put in was legendary.

There was a lot of talk about the work Franklin put in between FR and SO year.

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6 minutes ago, rcs29 said:

There was a lot of talk about the work Franklin put in between FR and SO year.

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I really wonder what it was that made him not want to come back. I would have much rather had him over Stewart.