How far away is IUBB from being elite again?

[Golfman25 6,132]

2 hours ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

And a jersey is their work uniform. That's their suit and tie. It's not a massive thing, but grab a different every now and then. 

You guys make is sound like they are wearing wool from the 1900s.  In the past few years, they have worn a few alternates.  It's not the uniforms fellas.    

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich 8,976]

1 minute ago, Golfman25 said:

You guys make is sound like they are wearing wool from the 1900s.  In the past few years, they have worn a few alternates.  It's not the uniforms fellas.    

No one said uniforms were the end all be all. That uniforms were going to change the program. But holy hell at some point get creative. The "tradition" reasoning is the absolute LAMEST excuse on the planet. As if Kansas, Kentucky, Duke, Michigan State etc don't have any tradition at all. Indiana likes to be boring. That's just a fact. Old man fans want Indiana to be this under the radar program... Well now we are under the radar, because we aren't any good. Spice things up a bit, throw out some alternates, get recruits eyes to look, get current players blood flowing a little, throw some gray or black trim in there, some script lettering or some stripes or design somewhere. Have some freaking fun for once. 

[Gnet550 943]

13 hours ago, cthomas said:

As much as I hate Purdue, Matt Painter is a top ten coach in the nation. He takes kids that usually we don't want and turns them into a team that is very successful. We can joke about them not having won a national championship, but if he keeps putting the type of teams he has the last few years on the floor, the championship is coming. We think we can't be elite until we have elite talent. Who on Purdue's roster was considered elite coming out of high school? It can be done without five star kids. I'm sick of seeing Purdue do it when we can't.

I think Gabe Cupps might be the turning point next year...he is a better version of Braden Smith, and look what he is doing.  I also think a big issue for Woodson is team make up.  He wants to play a pro style offense, but TJD just isn't made for that.  Obviously TJD is a great player, but he is limited to getting it within 10 feet of the basket.  I think next year when we can spread teams out and run the offense that way things will improve.  I again think Cupps could be the guy to turn it around....he is unselfish, but can knock down shots..I think he will be at least a 3 year player too because he won't be the "wow" guy..I could be wrong but I almost think next years team offense will be much better to watch. Time will tell!

[Brass Cannon 25,155]

We aren’t far. It’s just we aren’t progressing from one season to another. New coach same problems. New coach still near 0 player development 

[Golfman25 6,132]

32 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

We aren’t far. It’s just we aren’t progressing from one season to another. New coach same problems. New coach still near 0 player development 

IDK, maybe not what we expected to see in our internet land.  Eye test may be deceiving, but based on the small sample size to date, many individual player shooting stats are up as well as the team's shooting stats.  

[Stuhoo 84,413]

1 hour ago, Brass Cannon said:

We aren’t far. It’s just we aren’t progressing from one season to another. New coach same problems. New coach still near 0 player development 

If you think we aren't far, it's because of the progress. 

This year? Bates, Gallo, Kopp, and Duncomb are markedly better. That's four of our nine returnees. None of them are alphas/featured players, but each has taken a jump from last season.

[southernindianahoosier2 950]

Was speaking to my old roommate. He runs one of the most successful Restaurant chains in Indy….here’s why they are so successful and here’s why they continue to be  successful.

 

1. Gather feedback from patrons consistently 

2. Consistently ask employees what needs to be done to improve the restaurants

3. sat in a board room pre Covid and asked the question? What if our business model becomes irrelevant in the future, how would we pivot. Someone mentioned “what if customers don’t want a dining experience or can’t come into the restaurant” so they built out their delivery portion - then Covid hit and they were wildly successful. 
4. they pay for executive coaching 

5. they write out all of their goals for the year and then write 20 different ways of achieving those goals

6. They constantly ask “what is the experience the customer is having? How do we improve that? What experience are we aiming for?

they do a lot more too. My point is I don’t think IU has done anything like this in 20+ years…. There seems to be no leadership… how do I know that? Look at the product 

[Hoosier DaDa 3,338]

Who gives a rats @$$ Bout anything in this post. If a recruit picks a school just because of swag then I don't want him here

This is how I feel as well. However I have a 14 year old that is a decent ball player and roots for IU with me. He consistently says IU unis are tired. My kid spends countless hours playing 2K and a lot of that time is designing unis and sneakers. It does matter to the younger generation. "Which I think is stupid and get off my lawn"

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[HoosierTrav 8,021]

Heard a great quote from a legendary basketball coach today. I felt it was appropriate for this thread. How often have we complained about the effort of our best players in recent years? 
 

"The difference between a really good player and a great player is great players don't get tired.

They just don't. And what makes them great is when good players get tired the great player kicks their @$$.

That's the difference, So every day you're working on that. Every day you're working on that. We can coach ball screens, passing into the post, cutting and playing defense. We're not here to coach your energy level and your effort. That's a given. You wouldn't be here if I had to coach that.

That's what others coaches have to do, they have to coach energy. We don't.

-Geno Auriema

[HoosierAloha 30,090]

4 hours ago, Gnet550 said:

I think Gabe Cupps might be the turning point next year...he is a better version of Braden Smith, and look what he is doing.  I also think a big issue for Woodson is team make up.  He wants to play a pro style offense, but TJD just isn't made for that.  Obviously TJD is a great player, but he is limited to getting it within 10 feet of the basket.  I think next year when we can spread teams out and run the offense that way things will improve.  I again think Cupps could be the guy to turn it around....he is unselfish, but can knock down shots..I think he will be at least a 3 year player too because he won't be the "wow" guy..I could be wrong but I almost think next years team offense will be much better to watch. Time will tell!

Is Gabe Cupps walking into a situation where he's going to have a defined role and plays to that defined role? Will he have a legit big to toss it to on the low block to get buckets at an efficient clip? Will he get the open looks or will he be marked because he is 1 of 1 that can hit open shots?

Braden Smith isn't delivering because he's some tremendous basketball player. He fits a role and is in a system that is setting him up for success. Braden Smith this season at IU would most likely look like a disaster if he saw the floor as many on here thought he would at purdoodoo.

[HoosierAloha 30,090]

2 hours ago, Brass Cannon said:

We aren’t far. It’s just we aren’t progressing from one season to another. New coach same problems. New coach still near 0 player development 

But some players have a better percentage against some noncon cupcakes!

It would be interesting to see a year over year breakdown NBA 2K style increase (or decrease in some instances) of player development. It probably wouldn't be great for the home team the last handful of years.

[Golfman25 6,132]

48 minutes ago, Hoosier DaDa said:

This is how I feel as well. However I have a 14 year old that is a decent ball player and roots for IU with me. He consistently says IU unis are tired. My kid spends countless hours playing 2K and a lot of that time is designing unis and sneakers. It does matter to the younger generation. "Which I think is stupid and get off my lawn"

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So he's going to turn down his scholarship offer?  And Dad's ok with that reasoning?  

[Bowhunter 2,851]

It’s time to update our uniforms and yes names on the back. This is a separate issue from our lack of hustle on the court. I would like to see both issues improved sooner than later. We have enough talent to beat Rutgers and hang with Kansas on the road. 

[HoosierAloha 30,090]

1 minute ago, Golfman25 said:

So he's going to turn down his scholarship offer?  

Yes, a decent 14 year old getting a scholarship offer is exactly the talent level we need in this program. Hope he doesn't turn it down!

When all other areas are equal or close to equal the swag or whatever it's called now of a program can be the difference. Not for a 14 year old decent at basketball but for the elite players, the ones we need because we can't do the other things to create an elite program.

[kreigh8 2,111]

1 hour ago, Stuhoo said:

If you think we aren't far, it's because of the progress. 

This year? Bates, Gallo, Kopp, and Duncomb are markedly better. That's four of our nine returnees. None of them are alphas/featured players, but each has taken a jump from last season.

TJD showcasing point-forward skills don't get a mention?

[Stuhoo 84,413]

10 minutes ago, kreigh8 said:

TJD showcasing point-forward skills don't get a mention?

Lol no. But TJD has truly improved on the defensive end; especially as a rim protector.

[kreigh8 2,111]

2 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

Lol no. But TJD has truly improved on the defensive end; especially as a rim protector.

Too bad we can't have the shooting improvements that we get in other areas.

I'm curious what makes you say Duncomb is marginally better? Pretty small sample size in terms of playing time.

[HoosierAloha 30,090]

**** before we talk about improvements we should talk about roles. What are the defined roles of our players? We should then compare that to what average, good, and great players in like or similar roles are doing. Once we have that we can look back to where they were when they entered and where they are currently.

I'm guessing here but I wouldn't be shocked if we saw little to average improvement from most of our players. Among several other things, notably leadership, e, and e, basketball intelligence and discipline, our development is lacking. I'm not suggesting everyone should have an Oladipo like jump in skills. I am suggesting constant and consistent improvement would do wonders for this program.

[LIHoosier 27,120]

A little twitter thread from intel at the KU game concerning KU's availability of apparel, game ops, etc.

 

[IU Scott 2,375]

Thinking about this question more I look at the big ten and don't see any elite programs right now.  I think the first thing that needs to happen to get back to being elite is for the big ten to change their style of play.  I feel the big ten and IU for that matter can't get enough elite talent to be elite because those players don't want to pay in the big ten.