IUBB @ Rutgers - Saturday, 12/3/22 @ 4:00 on BTN

[Josh 12,625]

17 minutes ago, kreigh8 said:

I think the shots and shooting was fine and will come and go regardless. The problem was just the lack of finding a man when the shot went up. No excuse for Rutgers to get 17 offensive rebounds. The first 12 or 13 came in the first 20 minutes? Calls being made depending on where the game is held in the conference is one thing, but I saw plenty times guys just watching the ball rather than finding a man

Yessir.  100%.  It's amazing how they just stand there rather than finding a man.  Major problem.

[Hoosierfan2017 21,331]

3 minutes ago, str8baller said:

Maybe you weren’t around last year, but Woody brought in Kopp and XJ as transfers. 

First, Xavier wasn’t brought in to address shooting. He shot 34% at Pitt. Second, Yeah, he brought them in last year. Then the team finished second to last in 3pt shooting. He didn’t bring anyone in to address last season’s 3 point woes. Saying “but Woodson brought Xavier and Kopp!” makes absolutely no sense. They literally were on last year’s team. 

[OliviaPope40 6,514]

There's always that one game right before finals week that sneaks up on teams when they least expect it. I told my parents this game would be the trap game.

[JSHoosier 20,178]

2 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

First, Xavier wasn’t brought in to address shooting. He shot 34% at Pitt. Second, Yeah, he brought them in last year. Then the team finished second to last in 3pt shooting. He didn’t bring anyone in to address last season’s 3 point woes. Saying “but Woodson brought Xavier and Kopp!” makes absolutely no sense. They literally were on last year’s team. 

And neither one is the shooter they're made out to be; Kopp is about 36% for his career, hardly a sharp shooter.

They're decent shooters, and will have games they shoot very well but will have just as many where they can't throw it in the ocean.

[HoosierFan1994 4,746]

Very disappointed. You can't have a big win and follow it by this performance. I could take a hard fought loss but this was unacceptable. That being said, it's one game. Let's rebound Wednesday and step up for two big games against Arizona and Kansas. I didn't watch as much due to being out with the family. It looked like Kopp only showed up. Indiana played as bad as they could have today. I don't see 8 of our 9 guys all playing bad as they did today. Time will tell. 

[Trish 11,551]

Just amazed at how bad the bill movement was. The switching defenses by RU was wise, but it’s not like Woodson has never seen that before. 
 

Too many times TJD was just standing around in the paint posting up waiting for the basketball while no one else is really moving. We got some looks on the kick out and even some drives, but I would’ve liked to see Woodson get TJD some more action without the basketball. 
 

Rebounding was bad. So many missed box outs from everyone on the team. RU wanted it more, Indiana looked like they were playing Little Rock again. 
 

It’s not the end of the season, but this team has some issues that will get exposed during the B1G. We can’t rely on the freshmen nightly, Johnson will have to play wiser and more under control. We also can’t expect Kopp to drop 20+ each night. 
 

This is still likely a NCAA team, but the issues with this team could make it a one weekend tournament for the Hoosiers. 

[rcbowla 7,093]

I predicted IU to lose by 1 if Mulcahy played. Had i known JHS was out as well I would've said they lose by 7 or 8. JHS was important for this game just like the UNC game because of Black and today McConnell. Those are 2 elite perimeter defenders and having 2 good PGs kind of negates that one elite defender. Also JHS and X on defense together disrupts a lot. Not saying IU would've have won (obviously picked a loss) but I think this game is different with JHS.

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[str8baller 5,214]

22 minutes ago, JSHoosier said:

They're around 36% for their careers, if they're your best shooters that's not good.

They're decent shooters, but nothing special.

Kind of goes to my point about how poor of a shooting team Woody inherited, no? His additions are the best shooters. I sincerely doubt he would’ve turned down other good shooters. We had nothing in the shooting dept and he’s plugging holes. 
 

Over half this board does not even think kopp should start, so it is interesting to critique the one guy trying to dig us out of the hole left by the previous group.

[str8baller 5,214]

21 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Then the team finished second to last in 3pt shooting.

And all the best shooters were brought in by woodson. Were would we have finished if we just relied on Archie’s guys?  
 

What guys did you want that we didn’t get? Who would you have traded JHS and Reneau for?

[JSHoosier 20,178]

1 minute ago, str8baller said:

Kind of goes to my point about how poor of a shooting team Woody inherited, no? His additions are the best shooters. I sincerely doubt he would’ve turned down other good shooters. We had nothing in the shooting dept and he’s plugging holes. 
 

Over half this board does not even think kopp should start, so it is interesting to critique the one guy trying to dig us out of the hole left by the previous group.

Archie Miller teams can't shoot, his Dayton teams couldn't either.  I'd said so multiple times on this board.  Being the best shooter compared to that is like being the tallest dwarf.  We need to stop acting like Kopp or Johnson are sharp shooters though, they're not and aren't going to do much to address the glaring hole.

Kopp shouldn't be starting, but there's not really anyone I'd play over him either so we're kind of stuck.

[Hoosierfan2017 21,331]

19 minutes ago, str8baller said:

Kind of goes to my point about how poor of a shooting team Woody inherited, no? His additions are the best shooters. I sincerely doubt he would’ve turned down other good shooters. We had nothing in the shooting dept and he’s plugging holes. 
 

Over half this board does not even think kopp should start, so it is interesting to critique the one guy trying to dig us out of the hole left by the previous group.

Because he’s not very good but has to start to maintain some semblance of spacing in the starting lineup (and because we have a glaring hole at the wing). He’s a 36% shooter from 3. Our last conference title team shot 41.5% from 3… as a team. That team had 5 guys taking at least 1.5 threes a game who shoot better than Kopp. But on this team, he’s our ‘shooter.’ Woodson didn’t do anything this past offseason to address shooting, so it’s no surprise that shooting is once again an issue this season. 

[Home Jersey 7,436]

Just got back from the game. Boy, was that a pitiful showing. I mean really - some of the ugliest basketball we’ve seen in a while. I will take the blame for having jinx’d us on this one.  Only explanation I have for why this team looked so different from the one that beat North Carolina.

1. Miller Kopp kept us in this game for a while - he really doesn’t get the credit he should and we are going to really, really miss him when he moves on.
2. Having JHS today wouldn’t have changed the outcome, I don’t think. But we definitely did miss him, no denying that. We were getting sped up, and it was causing turnovers/making it hard to get into a rhythm (refs didn’t help, not blaming it 100% on them, but definitely didn’t help). It felt like the one chance we had to turn the momentum was preempted by those back to back TV time outs, just after we tied it/went up 2. JHS helps us play the game at our pace without getting sped up. Relying on X as the primary ballhandler/perimeter threat isn’t going to get it done.
3. While we’re on the topic of X - I love his energy. But he’s got to keep his head. He was losing it at a few points with the calls and the crowd, and when he got flustered, the team got flustered. CJ Gunn came right in, and right out (after causing a 4 point swing) because the coaches couldn’t get him to calm down. At a certain point they looked ready to get back on the bus and go home.
4. Then they REALLY looked ready to go home after TJD somewhat intentionally got foul #5. He was fed up. He also seemed to be sore/stiff and needed to be stretched out a lot at halftime - looked like he was pretty uncomfortable and taking a pounding. You have to give Rutgers credit, they brought it today.
5. Race - you’re a Hoosier through and through. But if this team is going to go far, everyone has to play their role and play it well. Yours is not shooting 3s. Let’s let today be a one-time deal on that front, please.

Today, everything could’ve gone better for the whole team. It was a tough game to sit through, and losing to a program like Rutgers just chaps my @$$. There’s no excuse for us to come out the way we did tonight. I’m not going to pretend to know enough that I could legitimately criticize Woodson’s decisions, but anyone with eyes can see the things we have to clean up, and clean up soon, if we’re going to have the kind of year we’re capable of: free throws, turnovers, perimeter shooting.

We’ve also got to figure out a way to get TJD going when he’s being double and triple teamed in the post. And hope we make it through B10 conference play healthy enough to make noise in March (won’t be easy if today is any indication).

The team is talented. It’s still early in the season. Things didn’t go our way tonight. Let’s learn from it, move on, and come back better. We have to come out better through these next 4-5 games if we’re going to maintain any semblance of respect on the national level this year. I’m cautiously optimistic they will get it done… even though I’ve been following this program long enough to know better.

Okay, time to drink some brown liquor and forget that **** show

[JSHoosier 20,178]

11 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Because he’s not very good but has to start to maintain some semblance of spacing in the starting lineup. He’s a 36% shooter from 3. Our last conference title team shot 41.5% from 3… as a team. He didn’t do anything this past offseason to address shooting, and it’s no surprise that shooting is once again an issue this season. 

Yeah, adding career 36% shooters to what Miller had doesn't really fill a hole; it's still a hole, just not as big of one.  I didn't expect to be great from 3 after not adding a shooter, but let's not act like Johnson or Kopp are answers.

I would've expected free throws to be better though, it's the easiest shot in the game there's no excuse to be as bad as we are there.

[Golfman25 5,337]

1 hour ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

At some point, a coach or coach is just gonna have to come out and say how god awful the officiating in the conference is. It's absolutely pathetic. Guarantee against Nebraska, it'll be ticky tack fouls all game. 

Que Kyle Schwaber.  :)

[RaceToTheTop 25,627]

Solely citing shooting percentage from three doesn't tell a complete story.  Carson Edwards was a career 37% shooter from three and shot 36% from three when they made their NCAA run.  Edwards' 36% three point shooting was effective because it drew so much attention and allowed better spacing.  

That said, Miller Kopp is hitting 53% from three this year and the focus seems to be on him being a career 36% shooter.  The one positive from today's game was his play, not just from him knocking down shots but also stepping into the lane and hitting a couple when he drew the defense out.  I am as big a critic of Kopp as anyone, but he's been find this season.  

[HoosierAloha 30,068]

Just got back from the game. Boy, was that a pitiful showing. I mean really - some of the ugliest basketball we’ve seen in a while. I will take the blame for having jinx’d us on this one.  Only explanation I have for why this team looked so different from the one that beat North Carolina.

1. Miller Kopp kept us in this game for a while - he really doesn’t get the credit he should and we are going to really, really miss him when he moves on.
2. Having JHS today wouldn’t have changed the outcome, I don’t think. But we definitely did miss him, no denying that. We were getting sped up, and it was causing turnovers/making it hard to get into a rhythm (refs didn’t help, not blaming it 100% on them, but definitely didn’t help). It felt like the one chance we had to turn the momentum was preempted by those back to back TV time outs, just after we tied it/went up 2. JHS helps us play the game at our pace without getting sped up. Relying on X as the primary ballhandler/perimeter threat isn’t going to get it done.
3. While we’re on the topic of X - I love his energy. But he’s got to keep his head. He was losing it at a few points with the calls and the crowd, and when he got flustered, the team got flustered. CJ Gunn came right in, and right out (after causing a 4 point swing) because the coaches couldn’t get him to calm down. At a certain point they looked ready to get back on the bus and go home.
4. Then they REALLY looked ready to go home after TJD somewhat intentionally got foul #5. He was fed up. He also seemed to be sore/stiff and needed to be stretched out a lot at halftime - looked like he was pretty uncomfortable and taking a pounding. You have to give Rutgers credit, they brought it today.
5. Race - you’re a Hoosier through and through. But if this team is going to go far, everyone has to play their role and play it well. Yours is not shooting 3s. Let’s let today be a one-time deal on that front, please.

Today, everything could’ve gone better for the whole team. It was a tough game to sit through, and losing to a program like Rutgers just chaps my @$$. There’s no excuse for us to come out the way we did tonight. I’m not going to pretend to know enough that I could legitimately criticize Woodson’s decisions, but anyone with eyes can see the things we have to clean up, and clean up soon, if we’re going to have the kind of year we’re capable of: free throws, turnovers, perimeter shooting.
We’ve also got to figure out a way to get TJD going when he’s being double and triple teamed in the post. And hope we make it through B10 conference play healthy enough to make noise in March (won’t be easy if today is any indication).
The team is talented. It’s still early in the season. Things didn’t go our way tonight. Let’s learn from it, move on, and come back better. We have to come out better through these next 4-5 games if we’re going to maintain any semblance of respect on the national level this year. I’m cautiously optimistic they will get it done… even though I’ve been following this program long enough to know better.
Okay, time to drink some brown liquor and forget that **** show

Maybe get TJD in some action where he’s moving towards the rim and not catching it with his back to the basket. (Maybe inject some fire in his belly and some leadership while we’re at it)


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[HoosierHoopster 6,963]

Siap but what is JHS’s status with the back injury?

His absence really hurt in this game.

[str8baller 5,214]

34 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Because he’s not very good but has to start to maintain some semblance of spacing in the starting lineup (and because we have a glaring hole at the wing). He’s a 36% shooter from 3. Our last conference title team shot 41.5% from 3… as a team. That team had 5 guys taking at least 1.5 threes a game who shoot better than Kopp. But on this team, he’s our ‘shooter.’ Woodson didn’t do anything this past offseason to address shooting, so it’s no surprise that shooting is once again an issue this season. 

I’ll just take you ignoring so the arguments as you conceding them. Probably best for you at this point. 
 

 

[str8baller 5,214]

28 minutes ago, JSHoosier said:

Yeah, adding career 36% shooters to what Miller had doesn't really fill a hole; it's still a hole, just not as big of one.  I didn't expect to be great from 3 after not adding a shooter, but let's not act like Johnson or Kopp are answers.

I would've expected free throws to be better though, it's the easiest shot in the game there's no excuse to be as bad as we are there.

Kopp’s shooting 50% from 3. But as you said, you wanted to start Geronimo in front of him. So…

[IU - Kaulie 1,891]

24 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Because he’s not very good but has to start to maintain some semblance of spacing in the starting lineup (and because we have a glaring hole at the wing). He’s a 36% shooter from 3. Our last conference title team shot 41.5% from 3… as a team. That team had 5 guys taking at least 1.5 threes a game who shoot better than Kopp. But on this team, he’s our ‘shooter.’ Woodson didn’t do anything this past offseason to address shooting, so it’s no surprise that shooting is once again an issue this season. 

Kopp is shooting over 50% from 3 through 8 games.  I hate it when some posters like Southside and Aloha trash him every chance they get but whatever.  Even when he’s not getting shots he’s creating space and opening up driving lanes.  That’s exactly what’s happened in a few games this year and those same posters are here still trashing him in game threads.  I’m going to miss him when he’s gone for sure.

My take on this game is simple.  Flush it and move on to the next one.