They Fired Tom Allen!

[Alford Bailey]

This staff is as bad as I’ve seen in 40 years. Spent the last two years getting absolutely nothing out of these players. Poorly coached in about every aspect of the game. Pretty obvious Allen’s early success was related to a couple of assistants.

[J34]

1 hour ago, IUFootballEndlessMisery said:

Invest. 

Indiana has always invested in basketball while they treated football as cheap filler.  It's why any success in football has always been purely coincidental. 

Sure, we made adjustments to the stadium but we need to do more. 

Agree! I've been saying this for 40+ years. Unacceptable 

[Rico]

27 minutes ago, Alford Bailey said:

This staff is as bad as I’ve seen in 40 years. Spent the last two years getting absolutely nothing out of these players. Poorly coached in about every aspect of the game. Pretty obvious Allen’s early success was related to a couple of assistants.

1982 was Corso's last year.  We went 5-6 with win over Purdue.  Team could have easily gone 7-4 with a bowl appearance.  40 years ago this team was exciting to watch/listen to.

[TheWatShot]

1 hour ago, J34 said:

What were your expectations?

To not ruin this program to the point where we're facing a multi-year rebuild whenever we finally move on from Allen. I don't think that's asking too much. 

[TheWatShot]

1 hour ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Unfortunately we’re stuck where we are now for the next two years because of Allen’s buyout. 

If we continue down this path, no way he gets two more years. Saving $7.5 million isn't worth going through two more years of this. 

[J34]

15 minutes ago, TheWatShot said:

To not ruin this program to the point where we're facing a multi-year rebuild whenever we finally move on from Allen. I don't think that's asking too much. 

Preaching to the choir. We've been facing a multi year rebuild damn near every decade. 

[HoosierX]

13 hours ago, TheWatShot said:

If we continue down this path, no way he gets two more years. Saving $7.5 million isn't worth going through two more years of this. 

I think you have your numbers mixed up. We’d keep him around for two more years to save 20M+.

[Golfman25]

On 10/23/2022 at 5:46 PM, cthomas said:

Agree 100% with this. Maybe we can't be top 4 or5 in the conference, but there are plenty of programs that we should be able to be better than. I've never understood how Northwestern with their academic standards could possibly be better than us in football. Doesn't seem possible and yet it is.

They have the right model and one we should emulate.  First, they hired a lifer as coach. He has zero interest going elsewhere.  Huge when recruiting for a school like NW.  And as long as he meets expectations — more good years than bad years — he’s safe.  I know we want Tom Allen gone, but then what.  Who you going to get?  

[Rico]

11 minutes ago, Golfman25 said:

They have the right model and one we should emulate.  First, they hired a lifer as coach. He has zero interest going elsewhere.  Huge when recruiting for a school like NW.  And as long as he meets expectations — more good years than bad years — he’s safe.  I know we want Tom Allen gone, but then what.  Who you going to get?  

We need to find another Bill Mallory.  

[Golfman25]

4 minutes ago, Rico said:

We need to find another Bill Mallory.  

Those where so fun times. :)

[WhiteyMcSpeed]

Go after Deion Sanders, if we do not win, it would still be entertaining. I do not think the top power 5 programs with openings (auburn, Wisconsin, Nebraska, GTech) will give him a chance yet. We would get recruits, who he would hire as coordinators would be key. 

[Rico]

9 minutes ago, WhiteyMcSpeed said:

Go after Deion Sanders, if we do not win, it would still be entertaining. I do not think the top power 5 programs with openings (auburn, Wisconsin, Nebraska, GTech) will give him a chance yet. We would get recruits, who he would hire as coordinators would be key. 

I wonder if Woody is friends with Neon?

[Rico]

23 minutes ago, Golfman25 said:

Those where so fun times. :)

And I thought they would never end.  What was I thinkin'?

[TheWatShot]

2 hours ago, HoosierX said:

I think you have your numbers mixed up. We’d keep him around for two more years to save 20M+.

How? You aren't saving money by paying him to coach here. 

[Alford Bailey]

Probably gonna be a total rebuild either way now. Had a mass exit of talent last year and look for the same this year.

[WhiteyMcSpeed]

16 minutes ago, Alford Bailey said:

Probably gonna be a total rebuild either way now. Had a mass exit of talent last year and look for the same this year.

Totally agree, combine the mass exit with currently the worst recruiting class in BIG Ten(84th nationally per 247 sports, only 9 3 star commits) for the class of 2023. The longer Dolson waits to move on, the bigger the rebuild.

[IUFootballHappyHappyJoyJoy]

8 hours ago, WhiteyMcSpeed said:

Totally agree, combine the mass exit with currently the worst recruiting class in BIG Ten(84th nationally per 247 sports, only 9 3 star commits) for the class of 2023. The longer Dolson waits to move on, the bigger the rebuild.

He's so waiting until 2025 to make a move.  That's the part that depresses me.

[Old Friend]

2 hours ago, IUFootballEndlessMisery said:

He's so waiting until 2025 to make a move.  That's the part that depresses me.

That happens, the entire fan base will be gone.  I'm hearing Allen is in "win now" mode trying to save his @$$ and looking almost exclusively at transfers instead of freshmen.  That's fool's gold and a house of cards.  This program's a mess and it starts at the top.

[OGIUAndy]

3 hours ago, Old Friend said:

That happens, the entire fan base will be gone.  I'm hearing Allen is in "win now" mode trying to save his @$$ and looking almost exclusively at transfers instead of freshmen.  That's fool's gold and a house of cards.  This program's a mess and it starts at the top.

After a couple of years as the head coach every year should be in "win now" mode. If he's relying on transfers, he should quit.  

[IUFootballHappyHappyJoyJoy]

8 hours ago, OGIUAndy said:

After a couple of years as the head coach every year should be in "win now" mode. If he's relying on transfers, he should quit.  

Right now, Allen is relying almost exclusively on transfers due to a failure on his part to develop his players, which is causing those players to realize that Indiana is a lost cause, so the only people who will play for Allen are people that, and I'll be blunt, flopped elsewhere or couldn't crack the rotation.

If it wasn't for that big @$$ contract, Allen would be fired, but we instead have to contend with "how long must we deal with this?"  I know that if and when Allen is sacked, most of the players will just leave Indiana anyway cause a coach firing always sees people go on the transfer portal cause they went to the school purely for the coach, but as much as supporting Indiana football is like the biblical tale of Job, the worst thing you can do to it is make us irrelevant.  We can't score, we can't defend, and those two years that made us look like we're on the right track have misfired spectacularly.  Indiana has always had periods where things looked miserable, but I don't think it has been as miserable as this, as back in the day, we viewed a 5-6 season going to a 3-8 season as "frustrating, but typical".  We went from playing in January to losing to Rutgers.