They Fired Tom Allen!

[Stuhoo]

What to do if he’s Winning?

Winning solves everything 

[Hoosierfan2017]

2 hours ago, Lebowski said:

They have played better the last two games and just beat a 5 win Wisconsin team.  

The remaining schedule at Illinois, MSU, at the school up north.  All schools currently have 3 wins or less.  

So the question still stands. If, and it's a big if, this year's IUFB team goes bowling and wins said bowl; still want him gone?

Yes. Can’t stand him 

[IUFootballHappyHappyJoyJoy]

2 hours ago, Lebowski said:

They have played better the last two games and just beat a 5 win Wisconsin team.  

The remaining schedule at Illinois, MSU, at the school up north.  All schools currently have 3 wins or less.  

So the question still stands. If, and it's a big if, this year's IUFB team goes bowling and wins said bowl; still want him gone?

Well, yeah.  All of his wins seem to be against teams with self inflicted wounds or teams with bad luck. 

[go iu bb]

3 hours ago, Lebowski said:

They have played better the last two games and just beat a 5 win Wisconsin team.  

The remaining schedule at Illinois, MSU, at the school up north.  All schools currently have 3 wins or less.  

So the question still stands. If, and it's a big if, this year's IUFB team goes bowling and wins said bowl; still want him gone?

Yes. Winning the next 3 games against bad teams won't change my mind that Tom Allen is a bad coach.

Even if IU somehow finds a way to make a bowl, this win will likely be the only win against a good team. If IU makes a bowl, I very much doubt they win. If they somehow defy that expectation, that means it was likely a crappy bowl against another bad team.

[AZ Hoosier]

1 hour ago, Stuhoo said:

What to do if he’s Winning?

Winning solves everything 

Just please, God, not another extension. IU football sucks. Tom Allen is not the answer, no matter how the remainder of this season turns out. Pack your bags, Tommy boy.

[NashvilleHoosier]

6 hours ago, Lebowski said:

They have played better the last two games and just beat a 5 win Wisconsin team.  

The remaining schedule at Illinois, MSU, at the school up north.  All schools currently have 3 wins or less.  

So the question still stands. If, and it's a big if, this year's IUFB team goes bowling and wins said bowl; still want him gone?

We do not have an attractive job to offer any candidate. It is even less attractive with the conference expanding. My personal thoughts on TA aside, if we fired him after winning the program’s first bowl game since ‘91….holy cow I can not imagine how thin that applicant list would be. 

[AZ Hoosier]

We do not have an attractive job to offer any candidate. It is even less attractive with the conference expanding. My personal thoughts on TA aside, if we fired him after winning the program’s first bowl game since ‘91….holy cow I can not imagine how thin that applicant list would be. 

That’s quite a leap of faith - to even get bowl eligible, let alone actually winning a bowl game. Honestly, it’s not something to worry about at this point.

[DChoosier]

22 minutes ago, NashvilleHoosier said:

We do not have an attractive job to offer any candidate. It is even less attractive with the conference expanding. My personal thoughts on TA aside, if we fired him after winning the program’s first bowl game since ‘91….holy cow I can not imagine how thin that applicant list would be. 

I don’t think the applicant list would thin out at all if the administration was willing to throw around 5-8 million a year. We would tell the applicants that Tom’s service was deeply appreciated but in order to make the “next step” it was time to move on. The applicants would piously nod their heads in agreement but then ask if we were offering 5 or 8 million per and for how many years.

That being said…..if we win 4 in a row and then win a bowl (highly unlikely) there is zero chance we would fire Allen with a 20,000,000 payout.

[Lebowski]

38 minutes ago, NashvilleHoosier said:

We do not have an attractive job to offer any candidate. It is even less attractive with the conference expanding. My personal thoughts on TA aside, if we fired him after winning the program’s first bowl game since ‘91….holy cow I can not imagine how thin that applicant list would be. 

My thoughts exactly. No coach that folks are wanting to replace CTA would ever think about working for a program that would do that.  Not a single one. 

[Lebowski]

43 minutes ago, AZ Hoosier said:

That’s quite a leap of faith - to even get bowl eligible, let alone actually winning a bowl game. Honestly, it’s not something to worry about at this point.

My question was hypothetical and you are free to answer if you desire. 

If this year's IUFB team goes bowling and wins said bowl game; still want him gone? 

[NashvilleHoosier]

6 hours ago, AZ Hoosier said:

That’s quite a leap of faith - to even get bowl eligible, let alone actually winning a bowl game. Honestly, it’s not something to worry about at this point.

Sure, I don’t think there is a chance we are in this position, but that’s not the question that was posed. 

[NashvilleHoosier]

6 hours ago, DChoosier said:

I don’t think the applicant list would thin out at all if the administration was willing to throw around 5-8 million a year. We would tell the applicants that Tom’s service was deeply appreciated but in order to make the “next step” it was time to move on. The applicants would piously nod their heads in agreement but then ask if we were offering 5 or 8 million per and for how many years.

That being said…..if we win 4 in a row and then win a bowl (highly unlikely) there is zero chance we would fire Allen with a 20,000,000 payout.

The next step for IU football is getting to crappy bowl games and winning them. In our hypothetical scenario, we would have just fired a coach who did exactly that and in a 5 season stretch, had 3 winning seasons, played in 2 January bowl games, won our first bowl game since ‘91, had us ranked in the top 10 at one point. I have my own thoughts on TA. Put all the qualifiers and asterisks on the COVID season, I get it. But this is arguably the worst program in major college football. I don’t care how much money we are offering, that would be one of the biggest “who the hell do you think you are?” moments in sports history to fire that coach. 

[Hovadipo]

9 hours ago, Lebowski said:

My question was hypothetical and you are free to answer if you desire. 

If this year's IUFB team goes bowling and wins said bowl game; still want him gone? 

I would still want him gone, but would understand why that wouldn’t happen this year, celebrate the HELL out of a bowl win and find 8 possible wins on the schedule for 2024.

I feel like it’s pretty reasonable to admit that it’s a complicated situation with some serious nuance, which unfortunately isn’t a strong suit for message boards typically. 

[Hoosierfan2017]

I understand they’re not actually going to fire him if IU wins a bowl game this year. But the question was whether I would want him fired if that happens, and frankly there’s nothing Tom Allen could do that wouldn’t make me want IU to fire him after this season. 

[AZ Hoosier]

9 hours ago, Lebowski said:

My question was hypothetical and you are free to answer if you desire. 

If this year's IUFB team goes bowling and wins said bowl game; still want him gone? 

That's a hard one. I DO want him gone... but it would make it incredibly hard to get a decent coach if, after years of struggling, we fire the guy who gets us bowling again... but, big picture and hope for the future? YES. Can his @$$.

[go iu bb]

10 hours ago, DChoosier said:

I don’t think the applicant list would thin out at all if the administration was willing to throw around 5-8 million a year. We would tell the applicants that Tom’s service was deeply appreciated but in order to make the “next step” it was time to move on. The applicants would piously nod their heads in agreement but then ask if we were offering 5 or 8 million per and for how many years.

That being said…..if we win 4 in a row and then win a bowl (highly unlikely) there is zero chance we would fire Allen with a 20,000,000 payout.

If we made a bowl game, Allen would automatically get a 1 year extension so the buyout would be even more. I would guess that it would be about $25-26M now then $20M through the end of next season like it is now. So even just making the bowl game eliminates the chance that Allen would lose his job purely from a financial aspect.

Even if they just get close to a bowl game I can see Dolson not firing him this year, saying some crap like, "It was a tough season but there was improvement which gives us confidence next year will be better."

[Rico]

Do we want Tom Allen leading us into this new era of B1G football?  I say HELL NO.  Sadly my guess is he will be the man.

[thebigweave]

If we made a bowl game, Allen would automatically get a 1 year extension so the buyout would be even more. I would guess that it would be about $25-26M now then $20M through the end of next season like it is now. So even just making the bowl game eliminates the chance that Allen would lose his job purely from a financial aspect.
Even if they just get close to a bowl game I can see Dolson not firing him this year, saying some crap like, "It was a tough season but there was improvement which gives us confidence next year will be better."

That is my question. Does the buyout continue to expand with each potential extension as if on a sliding scale? Or is it tied to calendar year?

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[Class of '66 Old Fart]

Re:  winning a bowl game (hard for me to even type that) and the automatic 1-year contract extension CTA would get.

Should that happen, does the buyout continue to decline per the original contract terms or is it frozen for a year because of the extension and then begin to decline per the original contract terms?

[go iu bb]

7 minutes ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

Re:  winning a bowl game (hard for me to even type that) and the automatic 1-year contract extension CTA would get.

Should that happen, does the buyout continue to decline per the original contract terms or is it frozen for a year because of the extension and then begin to decline per the original contract terms?

Oh, is it winning a bowl game that triggers the automatic extension? That makes me feel much better since I thought it was just making a bowl game that did.

I don't know about the financial aspect but I'm assuming the worst since it's a terrible contract already. I know it drops from 100% remaining salary to something like 50% but I don't know if that is a set date or x-many years from the end of the contract. Again, I assume the worst which would be the latter.