(2024) - PG Boogie Fland to Kentucky

[OGIUAndy 759]

https://burnerball.com/recruitment-post-mortem-boogie-fland/

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8 minutes ago, OGIUAndy said:

https://burnerball.com/recruitment-post-mortem-boogie-fland/

Very interesting read.

[woodenshoemanHoosierfan 6,182]

I wish I saw Artie's warning before I clicked the link...

Everything he said was true.
Also, there are some posters on here who are doing the exact same thing they were making fun of other fan bases when they lose out to IU on a recruit. See the MM and LM threads

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2 hours ago, reconmkd said:

https://burnerball.com/recruitment-post-mortem-boogie-fland/

Ouch, that's a kick below the belt.

[JSHoosier 19,826]

2 hours ago, BGleas said:

This is not a "sour grapes, we didn't want him anyways" post. I absolutely wanted Fland for both his talent, position and the perception of getting two 5*'s in one week against KU and UK. 

We need to be stacking high-end talent in these classes, and especially in the backcourt. 

I wanted us to land Fland. Just making it crystal clear. 

With all of that said, I am perfectly comfortable with a sophomore Gabe Cupps as our point guard next season. I was hoping to have Fland and Cupps together, but I'm perfectly comfortable with Cupps running the show next year. 

I'd even argue a sophomore Cupps has more potential to impact winning at the college level next year as a point guard than a freshmen Fland. 

Now, we need to add more talent in the backcourt. More playmakers, more creators, etc., but I'm good with Cupps

I wanted Fland more than Queen, it's a guard oriented game today and 2 5* could send a message to other recruits; plus that's the kind of talent we need to be stacking.

That doesn't mean I think Cupps won't be good, I like him and think he could have big role in the future.

I still don't like only getting one in the fall.  If Mgbako and Ware actually leave after one year we could have several openings that need filled late.  I'd gladly add Perry or Harper but may be too late to try and get back in there.

[Banksyrules 4,525]

Odds Calipairi get fired after this year?

[JSHoosier 19,826]

1 minute ago, Banksyrules said:

Odds Calipairi get fired after this year?

I doubt he does but I'd die laughing. 

[Hoosierfan1901 6,089]

1 minute ago, Banksyrules said:

Odds Calipairi get fired after this year?

He either gets fired or retires within the next 3-4 years in my opinion 

[RaceToTheTop 24,940]

It has been said that Cal would love a return to the NBA.  I expect it happens at some point.

[HoosierHoopster 6,811]

8 hours ago, Uspshoosier said:

Staff had the option of making some of the other kids higher priorities but chose to go for the top end talent.  Seems like their gamble didn’t pay off.  That’s a whole  other argument on what the staff should have or could have done.    Can’t worry about that now they just have to deal with the hand dealt to them and continue to work.    They definitely are going to be able to offer someone a lot of PT at the lead guard position 

Last sentence is the key. Woodson is honest in recruiting, we hear it from all the guys who commit to him/IU, that they have the chance but have to work for it —

and the top recruits are looking for immediate and significant playing time, this year we have X and Gallo in the backcourt, even if someone might displace Gallo this year ( no one is displacing X), Gallo’s gonna play a ton, as he should. 
 

[Hoosier1984 1,554]

Reading that burner ball account….wonder if that was the same day Jasper said he wasn’t reclassifying right now for Kentucky. Wonder if he does in the spring/summer if boogie looks to get out.

[HoosierHoopster 6,811]

1 minute ago, RaceToTheTop said:

It has been said that Cal would love a return to the NBA.  I expect it happens at some point.

We can all hope…

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4 hours ago, BGleas said:

I'd even argue a sophomore Cupps has more potential to impact winning at the college level next year as a point guard than a freshmen Fland. 

Had the exact same thought - obviously Boogie is incredibly talented. He'd still be a freshman guard though, and one of his primary criticisms in scouting reports I've seen is shot selection/at times, bad stretches of decision-making. Not saying Boogie won't help UK win games, but... come March, Cal's "stacked" rosters haven't really been doing better than ours - if at all. A sophomore Cupps, who has a year under his belt and can distribute like he can, gives me confidence assuming we fill out the roster with enough talent via portal/Spring. Hitting the portal really does not concern/worry me, at this point in the cycle anyway. We got a whole season of basketball to play first baby!

4 hours ago, HoosierFan1994 said:

This year is so important for the future. How big of a jump do Trey and Malik show? Is Mackenzie really a one and done? Can Cupps and Sparks be great additions to bring off the bench? Can CJ and Kaleb contribute? I am hoping the answer is positive for a lot of those. If not, that is where we might be in trouble. 

**Disclaimer - I am not a professional basketball scout. I do not claim to be an “expert” in assessing players… just a guy who enjoys watching the game/enjoyed playing back in the day. But any who… I have seen Mackenzie play in person a few times. Not a large enough sample size that I’d say I could give you a legitimate “scouting report” … ~6 games while he was a sophomore at GSB… an AAU tournament in Pittsburgh before his Junior year (purely by coincidence, was visiting a basketball junkie friend in town and we unexpectedly had some time to kill lol…) then the state championship game he won with Roselle Catholic this year. Have seen enough that I think I can add some conjecture to help us get excited again about who we DO have playing for us in just a few more days.

Physicals. When you walk in the gym, if you had to bet on who the NBA prospect was, a lot of dough would be waged on him… Says something, considering the caliber of the guys he played with and against. Elite.

Bball IQ - understands angles and uses his length/size well. Will take advantage of mistakes and exploit mismatches. Not really a physical player in the post but he is not usually shying away from contact. I expect his rebounding to steadily improve as the year goes on, but I think we may have a few tough games here and there on that front. (Gonna need Ware/Reneau/Sparks to do their thang.)

You will see a few savvy steals/blocks, but consistency on the defensive side is definitely a question for me…. When you consider our defensive schemes and the jump from HS/AAU to D1 in terms of complexity, I do think this will be what we point to as his weakness, at least early on, this season. That said, get ready for some athletic sequences where he blocks a shot against the backboard/disrupts a passing lane/brings a smart double team, then gets the transition slam or three.

Shot taker, shot maker - very above average rhythm shooter, great catch and shooter. Usually gets to his spot without a lot of dribbles. Has a high release point and usually gets the ball out of his hands quickly. Does have a tendency to bring the ball down fairly low as he’s getting into his motion, I’m hoping Woodson is cleaning that up in the offseason… Rarely caused problems for him from what I’ve seen, but if no change in the tendency since I’ve last seen him, I think that causes us a few frustrating turnovers.

You won’t hear anyone calling him a point forward, that’s not the really the primary skillset here… for the most part, anyway. Don’t get me wrong - not a “selfish” player and I’ve seen him make some of those passes that get the whole crowd “oohing-ahhing” or jumping out of their seats (depending on the venue if you know what I mean). But that is not usually what he is looking to do…

How he functions as a playmaker/facilitator is something I will be watching closely - can he put everything together and be a really versatile weapon… He’s used to looking for his shot first and getting buckets. And I fully expect that is what he’s going to be asked to do for us, too. But it’s different at this level. His shotmaking will translate, but can he be solid with his handle/decision-making/pass accuracy up to par by B10 play? The keys to your question IMHO boils down to his playmaking and situational decision-making… I’ll be looking at his AST:TO ratio and TS% … to be a one and done/first rounder, I think he has to avoid being labeled only a shot chucker that can't affect the game in other areas or fades into the background if he's not being aggressive/not having a good shooting night. 

Not that defensive consistency necessarily impacts whether he is one and done or not, but that is the other concern I have for this season. When I say “concern” I am holding him to a very high standard, keep in mind. You’re not going to mistake him for Miller Kopp at any point out there. His bball IQ and work ethic + Woodson’s coaching, make me very excited about what he will be able to contribute.

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Don’t read it unless you’re one of those guys who enjoys watching your X girlfriend/wife with another guy or ripping off the band aid slowly…. Lol

Yep brutal

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**** kentucky

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Sorry but **** kentucky move on were good

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[Kentuckysucks 2,206]

I don't post much but honestly this could be a huge positive.  Woody is old and will not be here long no matter what.  Better to rip the bandaid off quickly.  What if Cody had gone elsewhere and Crean was canned after year 3?  We'd likely be a lot better off today.

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14 hours ago, Kentuckysucks said:

I don't post much but honestly this could be a huge positive.  Woody is old and will not be here long no matter what.  Better to rip the bandaid off quickly.  What if Cody had gone elsewhere and Crean was canned after year 3?  We'd likely be a lot better off today.

So you think that missing on this one player will be the downfall of Woodson? I find that doubtful.

It would also be better for Woodson to be successful during his time at IU. That way he can hand off a team with talent and, hopefully, recent success in recruiting to his replacement whenever he does move on. 

So I'm not really seeing the "huge positive" that you are. I think IU will be fine without this guy but I don't think missing on him after prioritizing him instead of other guards is a positive. 

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22 minutes ago, go iu bb said:

So you think that missing on this one player will be the downfall of Woodson? I find that doubtful.

It would also be better for Woodson to be successful during his time at IU. That was he can hand off a team with talent and, hopefully, recent success in recruiting to his replacement whenever he does move on. 

So I'm not really seeing the "huge positive" that you are. I think IU will be fine without this guy but I don't think missing on him after prioritizing him instead of other guards is a positive. 

Agreed. There's no positive here. It always sucks to lose a top recruit, especially to the slime cats... it's not the end of the world, but there is nothing positive about it.

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3 hours ago, Kentuckysucks said:

I don't post much but honestly this could be a huge positive.  Woody is old and will not be here long no matter what.  Better to rip the bandaid off quickly.  What if Cody had gone elsewhere and Crean was canned after year 3?  We'd likely be a lot better off today.