IU Basketball News and Notes

[LamarCheeks 19,255]

Not really IU news per se -- but figured this was as good a place as any to post ... 

Dan Fife, a legendary high school coach in Michigan -- and Dane's father -- died Thursday.  

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/high-school/2024/05/31/dan-fife-hall-of-fame-clarkston-boys-basketball-coach-dies-at-74/73919069007/

[Demo 20,368]

https://x.com/Antgotclout/status/1796578804758159869
 

Anthony Walker stepping up for Woody. Gracious move on the young man’s part and well-said.

[WayneFleekHoosier 48,545]

1 hour ago, Demo said:

https://x.com/Antgotclout/status/1796578804758159869
 

Anthony Walker stepping up for Woody. Gracious move on the young man’s part and well-said.

Great Quote!  I think that young man is of high quality and character. 

[Napleshoosier 10,372]

1 hour ago, Demo said:

https://x.com/Antgotclout/status/1796578804758159869
 

Anthony Walker stepping up for Woody. Gracious move on the young man’s part and well-said.

It speaks well of Woody for the players to back him so much…. In the day Of the portal if they’re not happy it’s goodbye.  And I’m not a WOODY SUNSHINE guy!

[DChoosier 8,662]

1 hour ago, Napleshoosier said:

It speaks well of Woody for the players to back him so much…. In the day Of the portal if they’re not happy it’s goodbye.  And I’m not a WOODY SUNSHINE guy!

I have found it interesting that multiple former players have said numerous positive things about Crean and Woody but I don’t recall a single player (at senior night, in interviews, in social media) saying a single positive thing about Archie. Just a really weird 4 years.

[HoosierHoopster 7,165]

1 hour ago, DChoosier said:

I have found it interesting that multiple former players have said numerous positive things about Crean and Woody but I don’t recall a single player (at senior night, in interviews, in social media) saying a single positive thing about Archie. Just a really weird 4 years.

He was like a walking Debbie Downer, weird years for sure

[WayneFleekHoosier 48,545]

I have found it interesting that multiple former players have said numerous positive things about Crean and Woody but I don’t recall a single player (at senior night, in interviews, in social media) saying a single positive thing about Archie. Just a really weird 4 years.

That was one of my earliest signs things weren’t good. The Senior nights were so awkward and told lots of silent truths.

I think 2 years was enough but that was never going to be acceptable.

I really hope we have some ideas for our Woody replacement in 1-3 years. This past years coaching search didn’t boost confidence in our options.


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[HoosierTrav 7,898]

4 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

That was one of my earliest signs things weren’t good. The Senior nights were so awkward and told lots of silent truths.

I think 2 years was enough but that was never going to be acceptable.

I really hope we have some ideas for our Woody replacement in 1-3 years. This past years coaching search didn’t boost confidence in our options.


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The Kentucky search did a really good job of grounding me, as far as the expectations we should have. The sport has changed a ton. If Kentucky couldn’t land anyone bigger than Mark Pope, we should probably temper expectations when the time comes. 

[WayneFleekHoosier 48,545]

The Kentucky search did a really good job of grounding me, as far as the expectations we should have. The sport has changed a ton. If Kentucky couldn’t land anyone bigger than Mark Pope, we should probably temper expectations when the time comes. 

Sadly feel the same. Also sadly hanging on to hope Brad Stevens wants the gig in the next couple years. Lol.


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[steubenhoosier 907]

19 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Sadly feel the same. Also sadly hanging on to hope Brad Stevens wants the gig in the next couple years. Lol.


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I’ll “poke the bear”-your words, not mine, while you hold on to some cockamamie delusions that a guy who emphatically turned IU down several years ago will suddenly have a come to Jesus moment and head to Bloomington.

Or maybe the Stevens idea is a “ giant waste of time” as you say. 

[DChoosier 8,662]

57 minutes ago, HoosierTrav said:

The Kentucky search did a really good job of grounding me, as far as the expectations we should have. The sport has changed a ton. If Kentucky couldn’t land anyone bigger than Mark Pope, we should probably temper expectations when the time comes. 

Yep,

Some of the early “wish list” names included Hurley, Billy Donavon (of course…LOL), Drew, maybe getting Jay Wright out of retirement, etc etc but they landed Pope. Who knows, it’s always a crapshoot and Pope might work out but they certainly didn’t land the earth shattering name that some thought the UK brand would draw.

[HoosierHoopster 7,165]

52 minutes ago, steubenhoosier said:

I’ll “poke the bear”-your words, not mine, while you hold on to some cockamamie delusions that a guy who emphatically turned IU down several years ago will suddenly have a come to Jesus moment and head to Bloomington.

Or maybe the Stevens idea is a “ giant waste of time” as you say. 

Actually there have been some interesting flight schedules recently. A man resembling Stevens reportedly was seen hastily boarding in Indy, carrying a Mother Bears pizza box…. Oh ye of little faith

[Scotty R 2,215]

13 hours ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

That was one of my earliest signs things weren’t good. The Senior nights were so awkward and told lots of silent truths.

I think 2 years was enough but that was never going to be acceptable.

I really hope we have some ideas for our Woody replacement in 1-3 years. This past years coaching search didn’t boost confidence in our options.


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I have been saying for years anyone expecting us to get a huge name is very naive. Just look who UK, UM and OSU hired this year as well as teams like Villanova, Syracuse, UNC and Duke the last few years.

[WayneFleekHoosier 48,545]

17 hours ago, steubenhoosier said:

I’ll “poke the bear”-your words, not mine, while you hold on to some cockamamie delusions that a guy who emphatically turned IU down several years ago will suddenly have a come to Jesus moment and head to Bloomington.

Or maybe the Stevens idea is a “ giant waste of time” as you say. 

You’re special.  I LOL’d at my own post to demonstrate that I realize it’s an unrealistic hope.  I waste no time on the “delusion”. You are just too dense to figure it all out. 

[WayneFleekHoosier 48,545]

4 hours ago, Scotty R said:

I have been saying for years anyone expecting us to get a huge name is very naive. Just look who UK, UM and OSU hired this year as well as teams like Villanova, Syracuse, UNC and Duke the last few years.

Yea, I was expecting at least Kentucky to lure and bigger fish. And maybe Louisville. 
 

Here’s the thing though.  Big fish in the past had the connection to wrangle money and deals behind the scenes. Now that isn’t necessary.  Just get a good basketball coach and spend the money in NIL/Etc. I think schools also realize this.  

[WayneFleekHoosier 48,545]

17 hours ago, steubenhoosier said:

I’ll “poke the bear”-your words, not mine, while you hold on to some cockamamie delusions that a guy who emphatically turned IU down several years ago will suddenly have a come to Jesus moment and head to Bloomington.

Or maybe the Stevens idea is a “ giant waste of time” as you say. 

Also if you want to actually discuss the possibility let’s do it. 
 

The landscape has changed completely. College coaching is NBA-lite nowadays with “payrolls”. Everything has changed.  I don’t expect it or even think we need it. Just get a respected basketball mind and keep NIL at the tippy top. The formula is different. 

[HoosierHoopster 7,165]

1 hour ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Yea, I was expecting at least Kentucky to lure and bigger fish. And maybe Louisville. 
 

Here’s the thing though.  Big fish in the past had the connection to wrangle money and deals behind the scenes. Now that isn’t necessary.  Just get a good basketball coach and spend the money in NIL/Etc. I think schools also realize this.  

Yeah this is going to be something to watch, one way NIL may or may not make the college game better by further increasing parity, through good coaches at schools bringing in strong players in the portal and developing teams faster — question there is will it actually negatively impact parity by that happening more at schools like KU who lure the good coaches away from mid tiers etc, which schools don’t have the NIL money and now are losing their talented coaches more. A wait and see

[DChoosier 8,662]

8 hours ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Also if you want to actually discuss the possibility let’s do it. 
 

The landscape has changed completely. College coaching is NBA-lite nowadays with “payrolls”. Everything has changed.  I don’t expect it or even think we need it. Just get a respected basketball mind and keep NIL at the tippy top. The formula is different. 

One could argue that the NBA coaching is College-lite these days. NBA coaches have it relatively easy with rookie salary cap, signing /tying up guys up for 2-5 years vs. no cap in college and guys moving freely at any time. 
Any NBA coach/executive (Donavon/Brad etc) would be NUTS to consider moving to the college ranks

[HoosierHoopster 7,165]

9 hours ago, DChoosier said:

One could argue that the NBA coaching is College-lite these days. NBA coaches have it relatively easy with rookie salary cap, signing /tying up guys up for 2-5 years vs. no cap in college and guys moving freely at any time. 
Any NBA coach/executive (Donavon/Brad etc) would be NUTS to consider moving to the college ranks

There’s a pretty significant difference in job security college vs NBA. NBA coaches are expected to deliver immediately, doesn’t matter what the contract term is, win now or you’re fired. College coaches generally get 4-5 years to win. And that’s one reason guys at the NBA level consider the move

[go iu bb 6,267]

An NBA coach coaches the players the GM gets him. He might have some feedback on who he does or doesn't want, but that's it. The GM does  all the work in regards to obtaining the players and contracts. They have a collective  bargaining agreement which makes the contracts binding and has rules regarding free agency. There is a draft so the only recruiting is done on free agents and that is probably only a little wining and dining along with a dollar figure. The coaches get breaks in the summer to go on vacations and spend time with their families. 

College coaches are the coach and GM in one so they have to do both jobs. Recruiting HS players is a long and labor intensive practice which involves watching them play (usually many times), in home visits, unofficial visits, official visits, regular texts/calls, etc. Some of this the assistants do but a good HC still puts in plenty of the work. Recruiting from the portal is probably the closest thing to NBA free agency but it's still work the coach and not a GM has to do. There is no collective bargaining agreement so contracts aren't binding and the transfer portal means players can suddenly decide to leave. The coach has to be constantly recruiting both new and current players. The summer is spent recruiting and coaching.

I'm not sure "NBA-lite" is the right term.