IU vs St Mary’s - Thursday: NCAA Round of 64- 7:20 pm ET on TBS

[MikeRoberts 7,998]

26 minutes ago, HoosierAloha said:

What do you think the root cause was for the whipping?

Waynefleek kind of said it but I don’t believe the whipping had much to do with physical fatigue. I believe it was more mental, bit the players and the staff. 
They spend the days and hours leading up to the game chirping about being disrespected vs dialing in on what it was going to take to actually win

it was going to take hard work and concentration from both the players and staff and frankly I just think they all weren’t ready to follow through. It’s easy to talk, harder to do and we talked a ton, barstool interviews, Instagram, Twitter, TikTok you name it “we were disrespected”

It was a lack of leadership, acrossed the board, players and staff

[DChoosier 9,956]

1 hour ago, HoosierAloha said:

 

It's crazy Richmond won 4 to get the auto qual and then took down that mighty Iowa squad for their 5th game in 8 days.

So Richmond playing in their conference championship on Sunday followed by a game on Thursday (4 days later), and taking  a 1 1/2 hour flight in the same time zone is = to IU playing just past midnight on Wednesday morning, sitting at the airport until 5:00 am and then flying cross country on Wednesday across three time zones to then play on Thursday???….LOL.

No one is saying that’s the sole reason we lost, because it’s not, but I don’t get why you think it’s meaningless because it was a contributing factor.

[Uspshoosier 54,684]

Back and forth on this topic is getting ridiculous.  Games over.  If people have the opinion that fatigue and travel played a part in a loss what’s it matter, if people have the opinion that it’s bull crap and it’s an excuse what’s it matter.   All the data being pointed out one way or the other isn’t going to change the opposite sides opinion.    No piped pipers is going to take place.    Each side has their opinion and it’s not going to change.   Continuing down the path isn’t going to solve anything.  Seems like a waste of time in my opinion 

[HoosierAloha 30,102]

44 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Players quit when momentum swung and we didn’t have an answer. 8-10 turned to 30 as St Mary’s got hot and we provided no resistance.
Unfortunately this coincided with Woodson’s Mass substitution. Our guys aren’t necessarily mentally tough. It snowballed.

UCLA treating them like the team they are.


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20 minutes ago, MikeRoberts said:

Waynefleek kind of said it but I don’t believe the whipping had much to do with physical fatigue. I believe it was more mental, bit the players and the staff. 
They spend the days and hours leading up to the game chirping about being disrespected vs dialing in on what it was going to take to actually win

it was going to take hard work and concentration from both the players and staff and frankly I just think they all weren’t ready to follow through. It’s easy to talk, harder to do and we talked a ton, barstool interviews, Instagram, Twitter, TikTok you name it “we were disrespected”

It was a lack of leadership, acrossed the board, players and staff

Progress!

I believe this was a major issue starting last off-season and carried throughout the season. It probably goes goes back further for several of these players. It's one thing to have that chip on your shoulder and use it to prove yourself but another to constantly talk without action. We loved to quickly share to social media when we were "disrespected" by the media or whoever regarding preseason rankings, suspensions, seeding, etc. Our fans eat it up and run with it. It does zero good for the team or the fans. We've become a meme program and fan base.

The leadership concerns me moving forward and could be determined by who returns. This has been an issue for years and I think it is in our culture now. We don't have any/many disruptors that can overcome the status quo of just accepting meritocracy. TJD is a hell of a basketball player yet still looks to his peers for acceptance. X is the closest thing but I believe it's something he has for himself and isn't as outspoken about it. Of course, this is looking at it from a 30,000' view but the signs are there.

I hope Woody didn't accept things in hopes that it would course correct over the season. It's difficult to correct those things at the beginning but even harder when you've allowed them for awhile. This stems from the belief that the NW fiasco wasn't the first of its kind.

Time will tell.

[Hovadipo 62,025]

20 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

Back and forth on this topic is getting ridiculous.  Games over.  If people have the opinion that fatigue and travel played a part in a loss what’s it matter, if people have the opinion that it’s bull crap and it’s an excuse what’s it matter.   All the data being pointed out one way or the other isn’t going to change the opposite sides opinion.    No piped pipers is going to take place.    Each side has their opinion and it’s not going to change.   Continuing down the path isn’t going to solve anything.  Seems like a waste of time in my opinion 

Should we add the St. Peters cheerleading squad taking a 10-hour bus ride to Indy this morning to the comparisons? Makes you think!

[HoosierAloha 30,102]

29 minutes ago, DChoosier said:

So Richmond playing in their conference championship on Sunday followed by a game on Thursday (4 days later), and taking  a 1 1/2 hour flight in the same time zone is = to IU playing just past midnight on Wednesday morning, sitting at the airport until 5:00 am and then flying cross country on Wednesday across three time zones to then play on Thursday???….LOL.

No one is saying that’s the sole reason we lost, because it’s not, but I don’t get why you think it’s meaningless because it was a contributing factor.

I don't think it's meaningless. It was an exaggeration, most of it has been to combat the myriad excuses that get floated around from fans and players. I have little doubt that playing that many games over that many days takes a toll for IU or for Richmond or for Notre Dame or for any team. It seems we're the ones that got clowned while others won their first game in the round of 64.

Richmond played 4 games in 4 days, as did Iowa and others. Is 5 games in 8 days more difficult than 4 games in 4 days?

[HoosierAloha 30,102]

24 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

Back and forth on this topic is getting ridiculous.  Games over.  If people have the opinion that fatigue and travel played a part in a loss what’s it matter, if people have the opinion that it’s bull crap and it’s an excuse what’s it matter.   All the data being pointed out one way or the other isn’t going to change the opposite sides opinion.    No piped pipers is going to take place.    Each side has their opinion and it’s not going to change.   Continuing down the path isn’t going to solve anything.  Seems like a waste of time in my opinion 

I am only speaking for myself but I believe there is useful discussion going on and we're actually getting into some root cause issues with the team/program. Are we locking down the thread or are we free to continue the discussion? I believe there is the option to ignore threads right?

Another data point is Notre Dame having a mascot and we don't. I'm sure that has to provide some e and e boost no? Stanford has a tree as a mascot. Can we get a cheerleader stack as our mascot?

[HoosierAloha 30,102]

54 minutes ago, IUFAN1976 said:

The way UCLA is handling St. Mary’s leads us all to believe the fact you are correct, we flat out quit.  We made St. Mary’s look better than they are, we made them look like a Final 4.  We competed against every team on or schedule, except for Michigan at home and St. Mary’s.  
 

I agree about the toughness but I thought we were slowly getting there towards the end of the season 

Their (UCLA) program is on a completely different level than ours, ditto for Saint Mary's. There were far more games than just Michigan and Saint Mary's where we didn't put our players in the best position to compete. I think this has been a continuous issue throughout the season.

[Golfman25 6,849]

45 minutes ago, DChoosier said:

So Richmond playing in their conference championship on Sunday followed by a game on Thursday (4 days later), and taking  a 1 1/2 hour flight in the same time zone is = to IU playing just past midnight on Wednesday morning, sitting at the airport until 5:00 am and then flying cross country on Wednesday across three time zones to then play on Thursday???….LOL.

No one is saying that’s the sole reason we lost, because it’s not, but I don’t get why you think it’s meaningless because it was a contributing factor.

Richmond got tourched today.  Chit happens.  

[Uspshoosier 54,684]

Just now, HoosierAloha said:

I am only speaking for myself but I believe there is useful discussion going on and we're actually getting into some root cause issues with the team/program. Are we locking down the thread or are we free to continue the discussion? I believe there is the option to ignore threads right?

Another data point is Notre Dame having a mascot and we don't. I'm sure that has to provide some e and e boost no? Stanford has a tree as a mascot. Can we get a cheerleader stack as our mascot?

Useful discussion was done 40 posts ago.  Now it’s just going around and around and around.    People are not going to change their views because other people post about opposite views.   How is pointing out the same thing for 30 more posts from what was discussed 2 nights ago getting to the root cause of the program?   Isn’t this simple.   Some blame fatigue and travel for their problems and that’s their right and opinion and others think it’s a bull crap excuse which is their right and opinion.   Nobodies opinion has changed one way or the other since 2 nights ago.   Ignoring posts is always welcome and if the same regurgitated stuff gets puked out then I might take that option into consideration on this one 

[HoosierAloha 30,102]

6 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

Useful discussion was done 40 posts ago.  Now it’s just going around and around and around.    People are not going to change their views because other people post about opposite views.   How is pointing out the same thing for 30 more posts from what was discussed 2 nights ago getting to the root cause of the program?   Isn’t this simple.   Some blame fatigue and travel for their problems and that’s their right and opinion and others think it’s a bull crap excuse which is their right and opinion.   Nobodies opinion has changed one way or the other since 2 nights ago.   Ignoring posts is always welcome and if the same regurgitated stuff gets puked out then I might take that option into consideration on this one 

Root cause in the team quit and leadership stayed in Indy. Can we discuss why that happened throughout the season or should we create a different thread?

[Uspshoosier 54,684]

2 minutes ago, HoosierAloha said:

Root cause in the team quit and leadership stayed in Indy. Can we discuss why that happened throughout the season or should we create a different thread?

Game threads usually die on their own and don’t last that too long  past the game that was played.    If you want to start a new thread about leadership and why the team quit go for it

[MikeRoberts 7,998]

58 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

Back and forth on this topic is getting ridiculous.  Games over.  If people have the opinion that fatigue and travel played a part in a loss what’s it matter, if people have the opinion that it’s bull crap and it’s an excuse what’s it matter.   All the data being pointed out one way or the other isn’t going to change the opposite sides opinion.    No piped pipers is going to take place.    Each side has their opinion and it’s not going to change.   Continuing down the path isn’t going to solve anything.  Seems like a waste of time in my opinion 

This is the essence of what a message board is for, debate/discussion about their team. This reply could be said for just about any thread and topic on this and every forum

[HoosierAloha 30,102]

1 hour ago, MikeRoberts said:

This is the essence of what a message board is for, debate/discussion about their team. This reply could be said for just about any thread and topic on this and every forum

You and I both know the reasons behind it.

[TheWatShot 15,632]

5 minutes ago, HoosierAloha said:

You and I both know the reasons behind it.

Have you considered sharing your concerns with the coaching staff? You might actually get somewhere if you think this could help the program in any way. 

[Hovadipo 62,025]

9 minutes ago, HoosierAloha said:

You and I both know the reasons behind it.

Ooooohh! What are they?

[HoosierAloha 30,102]

2 minutes ago, TheWatShot said:

Have you considered sharing your concerns with the coaching staff? You might actually get somewhere if you think this could help the program in any way. 

The previous post was more referencing in the nudge to move along by the squad.

I have not. The manner in which I was taught and used to form teams would be frowned upon by the university and coaching staff even though it's tried and true. People are the same and it would be effective. If you've been in those environments and roles it's easy to spot when things go sideways but what would I know I just walked uphill to school in 10 feet of snow both ways and fired off a few emails in my extra hours of work on a business trip ;-)

[HoosierAloha 30,102]

7 hours ago, iu eyedoc said:

I had to walk 9 miles uphill through through a blizzard just to get to class, then nine more miles uphill in 123 degree heat to get back home while wearing a parka just to come home and study for 27 hours a  day to get my degree and these namby panties are complaining about playing a game!!! And what's with that opposing coach saying it had an effect? Is he one of them? Does he actually know them? All I saw was a bunch of ne'er-do-wells dancing and cavorting when they should have been asleep or studying all they horrible stuff the did wrong in the game before. If the had put in those extra hours like I did, well I tell ya, there would be a 6th banner in AH come next season.

I like these posts. To me, they shine a light on the difference of perspectives towards our program. Some of our fans are just happy we can put a team on the floor to play games. Some of our fans have competed at a high level in sports or other professions and realize what it takes from a physical and/or mental standpoint to win. Then the majority fall somewhere between those two extremes.

I'd argue the ones that have competed at high level sports or other professions that require you to be "on" in roles that demand a high level or physical and mental toughness can relate to athletes. They understand the sacrifices it takes and what is required in building a winning team and culture.

If you'd like to continue to mock what others and I did at a similar age just give a thumbs up and I won't waste my time trying to discuss something you wouldn't understand.

[IUc2016 7,121]

6 hours ago, HoosierAloha said:

I like these posts. To me, they shine a light on the difference of perspectives towards our program. Some of our fans are just happy we can put a team on the floor to play games. Some of our fans have competed at a high level in sports or other professions and realize what it takes from a physical and/or mental standpoint to win. Then the majority fall somewhere between those two extremes.

I'd argue the ones that have competed at high level sports or other professions that require you to be "on" in roles that demand a high level or physical and mental toughness can relate to athletes. They understand the sacrifices it takes and what is required in building a winning team and culture.

If you'd like to continue to mock what others and I did at a similar age just give a thumbs up and I won't waste my time trying to discuss something you wouldn't understand.

Good lord the arrogance and condescension in this post is astounding. 
 

This is definitely one for the btown banners hall of fame. Bravo brother, bravo 

[HoosierAloha 30,102]

4 hours ago, IUc2016 said:

Good lord the arrogance and condescension in this post is astounding. 
 

This is definitely one for the btown banners hall of fame. Bravo brother, bravo 

Others have shared their experience. Please do share your experience in those situations.