IUBB vs Wisconsin - 02/15/22 @ 9:00 on ESPN2

[DChoosier 8,928]

Just now, Brass Cannon said:

I agree it’s likely. But if he’s the real deal he could easily leave after a year and we have a single good guard for a year. Not a recipe for winning 

So you are bummed if he is real good and bummed if he sucks?  LOL.

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Just now, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Night guys. Just imagine being a coach or player on this dumpster fire. Look how pissed we are as fans. Imagine those directly connected that can’t figure it out and start pointing fingers. Gotta be a hoot.


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Pretty sure several have checked out or have pointed those fingers for awhile. You're responsible for creating the environment and molding the players. Something something bearing fruit something something reap what you sow

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I rather bring in Freshmen then transfer portal guys. I think molding them to a certain system helps a player develop better then a guy who has jumped around 2/3 times already. 

It’s what i said earlier as well but somebody made the comment that Illinois has 2 starting transfers.


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1 minute ago, Brass Cannon said:

Yep. I want experienced players from good teams. This getting the studs from terrible teams is just not panning out

There were certainly players that fit that mold that IU went after and didn't get.  Cole Swider from Villanova was one.  Was a three year player there, averaged 6 points and 3 rebounds as a junior in 18 minutes.  Chose Syracuse and is averaging 34 minutes per game, 13 points and 7 rebounds....and has what we really needed:  shooting 38% from three on nearly 6 attempts per game.  Armaan Franklin didn't seem to help because he seemed to be on the fence for a long time and basically IU to move on when he wasn't deciding.

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3 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

I agree it’s likely. But if he’s the real deal he could easily leave after a year and we have a single good guard for a year. Not a recipe for winning 

It could, but having a player play well enough to be in the league within a year isn't a bad problem to have.  Also tends to make it more attractive for future five stars.

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46 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

So….how much does this roster blowup this off season. Woodson sold them a bag of goods. Transfers have been abysmal. This team is Trayce and Race. Both are probably gone. You guys see Lander on the bench at the end?

I’d start Bates and Lander at the 1-2 and let them run and gun. F it. We see what the regulars give. Now that season is over, no more stress during games.


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Not directed entirely at you, but how to be get so crazy after losses? Season over? Hardly! Several more winnable games left. The path to the NCAA is still wide open. Hopefully the players have a better attitude than the fans.

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11 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

Yep. I want experienced players from good teams. This getting the studs from terrible teams is just not panning out

Honestly.....it might not even be experienced players from good teams.  It might just be experienced players from teams that are used to winning -- i.e., a winning program in a low to mid D1 program might be better than someone of the same talent level from a losing major P5 program.  

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Just now, brumdog45 said:

It could, but having a player play well enough to be in the league within a year isn't a bad problem to have.  Also tends to make it more attractive for future five stars.

You know what really attracts top talent? Paying them what they're worth. We keep clowning around trying to figure out what we're going to do with this program. Pay them cold hard cash and they will come.

If we're not going to pay them we better get a damn good coach that will build a damn good culture and program while also out coaching the talent we don't pay.

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5 minutes ago, yogisballin said:

It’s what i said earlier as well but somebody made the comment that Illinois has 2 starting transfers.


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That’s the thing. For every 1 good transfer portal guy there are 5 bad ones that some how end up at IU.

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15 minutes ago, cbp4iu said:

I rather bring in Freshmen then transfer portal guys. I think molding them to a certain system helps a player develop better then a guy who has jumped around 2/3 times already. 

At this point, there are many good freshman recruits available -- particularly ones we have been recruiting.  Almost all are signed.

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17 minutes ago, HoosierAloha said:

Fundamentals, it what seems to beat even the most talented of IU teams. Why should a coach not be teaching these fundamentals when they keep happening over and over and over and over again?

So I know you harp on this some, but the truth is complicated. Basically, a college coach shouldn’t have to teach most of that stuff. And if he does, then you won’t have a good team, even if you have Brad Stevens on the sidelines. 
 

Practice time is limited. A good continuity offense takes multiple seasons to install. So you have to dedicate time to that even though it won’t pay big dividends right away. Team defense can be built throughout a season, and Woody has done a solid job here. 
 

The rest of the stuff…okay, say you have to spend 5 min every practice reminding TJD not to hunt blocks. Then 5 min reinforcing Parker S not to extend his arm and get charges when he drives. Then 10 min coddling XJs emotional problems. Then five reminding Race about situational awareness behind the 3 pt line.  
 

And you know what, you should probably teach that if you must. but after a while it adds up to real time in your two hr practice. And what are Matt Painter and Gard doing during that time? Not teaching HS jv fundamentals. No…they’re installing more advanced stuff and doing game week gameplan implementation. And Gard doesn’t have to teach Davis because over the summer (when players get better) Davis worked his butt off becoming a better player when Gard wasn’t  around.  
 

As the years go by Woody will own more and more of the program. Right now we’ve got problems on our hands that can’t be solved with extra layup drills and FTs. 

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1 minute ago, HoosierHoops1 said:

Not directed entirely at you, but how to be get so crazy after losses? Season over? Hardly! Several more winnable games left. The path to the NCAA is still wide open. Hopefully the players have a better attitude than the fans.

It’s not wide open though. The reality is that we need to win 3-4 of our last 5 games and will need help from other teams. Losing 4 straight and 3 of those at home is not going to bode well for us. We never get the benefit of the doubt with the tourney committee. This team is repeating a pattern that we’ve seen for the last 4 years. Fans are well within their bounds to be as negative and skeptical as they are. We’re not the ones out there peeing down our legs every February. 

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6 minutes ago, IUCrazy2 said:

Yeah, there is a whole swath of potential fans that have been lost over the past 2 decades.  Too much to get their attention and watching your team lose, lose, lose just is not fun.

I have told my wife several times over the years that I think we might be better.  I felt we were a bit better this year and the February has happened...

I agree the fan base has been lost for a long time.

But Rome was not rebuilt in less than a year. 

Folks gotta try and be a little realistic. Woody didn't take over a great roster. He had one proven player.

6 minutes ago, Bankshot said:

In terms of increasing mental toughness, fundamentals, and decision-making, at this point I’d be okay with recruiting Galloways and Leals, sprinkling in some athletic talent here and there and see what happens.

That’s basically what Knight did I think.

I’m not so sure that it isn’t what Wisconsin and Purdue have been doing too.

Knight kinda locked down the state. He also didn't do better in his 1st year, than the previous season IIRC.... 

In today's "now" environment, nobody was going to make fans happy.

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39 minutes ago, Southside said:

Dude, our entire bench sucked. 3-14. So which suck do you want more of. 

Our collective level of talent is just not that good. 

And G is just abysmal. XJ and PS aren't consistent at all. The young guys iffy at best, but I would like to see more PT now that the playoffs are looking out of reach. 

There is nothing out of reach, at all.

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38 minutes ago, HoosierTrav said:

Cupp and JHS are good guards. 

and Newton

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2 minutes ago, brumdog45 said:

At this point, there are many good freshman recruits available -- particularly ones we have been recruiting.  Almost all are signed.

I mean IU doesn’t need more then 4 more players. If the players that need to go are nudged a little to go. I mean a grad transfer or 3 would be the most ideal thing if they go that route. Those grad transfers have to be high character on winning program bench players. 

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Just now, HoosierHoops1 said:

and Newton

I may like Newton more than the other guys. He’s a Dog! 

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4 minutes ago, HoosierHoops1 said:

There is nothing out of reach, at all.

Not out of reach. 

"looking"

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Another issue that showed its face tonight! Why do we slow our pace at the end of a game when we have a small lead? Why!!!!! That’s why we were 1/10 from the field in the last couple minutes. We walk the ball up the floor allow the defense to get set, they deny TJD the post, and our shooting shoots us in the foot or we turn it over! Run the damn ball down their throats! Don’t give them the opportunity to shut us down completely. We have no shooters, and when the defense shuts down the post we have to be able to get up the floor and keep the defense on its heals! 

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19 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

I agree it’s likely. But if he’s the real deal he could easily leave after a year and we have a single good guard for a year. Not a recipe for winning 

Ah.... So even trying to find potential future negative in a potential future positive. Again.... 

So you want someone not good enough to leave early, but slow enough to take years to develop. 

You must be awesome at parties.