2022-2023 IUBB Roster Projection

[RaceToTheTop]

1 minute ago, JimmerNoe said:

With the addition of Malik and Dexter, along with Race and hopefully Trayce coming back, our 7 man rotation could consist of:
1. Preseason national AA (TJD)
2. Big Ten Honorable Mention (X)
3. Big Ten Honorable Mention (Race)
4. Conference DPOY (Dexter)
5. 5-star guard (JHS)
6. 5-star guard (Tamar)
7. 5-star big (Malik)

That leaves:
Miller (former starter)
Trey (starter minutes, energy/impact guy)
JG (who we all hope makes a huge leap)

Wow that’s a good problem to have.


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It is.  Last year we were talking about how South Florida's Michael Durr would fit in.

edit:  although I'm still not sure why everyone seems to have a degree of confidence in Dennis committing.  

[Brass Cannon]

15 minutes ago, RaceToTheTop said:

It is.  Last year we were talking about how South Florida's Michael Durr would fit in.

edit:  although I'm still not sure why everyone seems to have a degree of confidence in Dennis committing.  

Chris007 has connections 

[Brass Cannon]

25 minutes ago, RaceToTheTop said:

So can we assume that IU's Student Athlete Bill of Rights is dead as a policy?  It would seem so since the second point in it is a four-year scholarship commitment regardless of injury, illness, or perforance.

The bill of rights flat out says the kid can’t walk on.  If he wants to stay on the team he would have to pay 

[HoosierHoopster]

1 hour ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

With each day we draw closer to the May 1, deadline, seems less likely any of our players are going to go portal jumping.   I'll reiterate my earlier statement that I think there's a plan in place and everyone has bought into that plan.

No inside info whatsoever but tend to agree. There's a reason the three guys announced early and we've heard nothing since other than Race going out of his way to say he's staying (which imo doesn't need to be announced). We know how Woodson valued Geronimo in the last several games, how his minutes jumped into the 20s, how his rebounding and blocks and D are valued, I have never thought he was considering leaving and still don't - a bit concerned about the possibility of adding 2 new guys, but those end of year conversations are not loosy goosey, and both the staff and the players are looking for their clear path, they don't tend to sit around waiting to see how chips fall into place

[Hovadipo]

1 hour ago, Hippopotamo said:

Would there be a scenario if TJD returns for him to pay his own way? He’s about to make a ton of money on NIL deals if he sticks around. 

Not sure if this has happened yet around the country, but it would set quite a precedent if it hasn’t. 

[Stuhoo]

6 minutes ago, Hovadipo said:

Not sure if this has happened yet around the country, but it would set quite a precedent if it hasn’t. 

 

Oh my. Let's say TJD makes a cool million from NIL, and in turn pays his $12k in-state tuition, freeing up a scholarship.

That'd set some media fire.

Hova- you might know: If Trayce were non-scholly would he have the same access to team meals on trips, facilities, etc?

 

[RaceToTheTop]

54 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

Chris007 has connections 

I know he does.  But I'm not hearing that Dennis IS committing, just that he is more likely to than McNeil.  And unlike Dennis, McNeil still has the opportunity to commit during his visit while Dennis passed on doing so.

[RaceToTheTop]

57 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

The bill of rights flat out says the kid can’t walk on.  If he wants to stay on the team he would have to pay 

It says more than that and its intent was certainly more than that.  It says a scholarship can't be pulled by a coach due to a player injury, illness, or performance.  I'm sure you aren't suggesting that Leal would be voluntarily giving up his scholarship out of the kindness of his heart.

Again, if the IU Student Bill of Rights isn't a thing anymore, then I just think the athletic department should say so and be done with it.  Just don't think they should say it's in place and then skirt around it anyway.

[Brass Cannon]

21 minutes ago, RaceToTheTop said:

It says more than that and its intent was certainly more than that.  It says a scholarship can't be pulled by a coach due to a player injury, illness, or performance.  I'm sure you aren't suggesting that Leal would be voluntarily giving up his scholarship out of the kindness of his heart.

Again, if the IU Student Bill of Rights isn't a thing anymore, then I just think the athletic department should say so and be done with it.  Just don't think they should say it's in place and then skirt around it anyway.

It’s not skirting around it. It would be telling him he no longer has an athletic scholarship.  If he would like he can stay a student free of charge. If he wishes to stay on the Basketball team he can pay his own way.  I believe walk ons are still eligible for NIL deals so it’s possible that “arrangements” could be made 

[Brass Cannon]

34 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

 

Oh my. Let's say TJD makes a cool million from NIL, and in turn pays his $12k in-state tuition, freeing up a scholarship.

That'd set some media fire.

Hova- you might know: If Trayce were non-scholly would he have the same access to team meals on trips, facilities, etc?

 

If he can draw that much in NIL I gotta think a 5th year is not out of the question 

[Hovadipo]

1 hour ago, Stuhoo said:

 

Oh my. Let's say TJD makes a cool million from NIL, and in turn pays his $12k in-state tuition, freeing up a scholarship.

That'd set some media fire.

Hova- you might know: If Trayce were non-scholly would he have the same access to team meals on trips, facilities, etc?

 

On-campus would be the only place it could be different, but I can’t imagine things would actually be any different for him than if he was on scholarship other than having that “little” $12k bill. I don’t think walk-ons technically have free access to on-campus meal plans and things like that, but as A. a basketball player and B. simply being Trayce Jackson-Davis nothing would change for him. 

[woodenshoemanHoosierfan]

People keep talking about another person leaving(Kopp, Leal, Duncomb). Personally, I get the feeling TJD is staying in the draft.
As for as Leal( or someone else paying their own way, I'm thinking it happened before at a different program. Of course, I could have dreamt it, because I don't remember where.

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[Hovadipo]

1 hour ago, Stuhoo said:

 

Oh my. Let's say TJD makes a cool million from NIL, and in turn pays his $12k in-state tuition, freeing up a scholarship.

That'd set some media fire.

Hova- you might know: If Trayce were non-scholly would he have the same access to team meals on trips, facilities, etc?

 

On-campus would be the only place it could be different, but I can’t imagine things would actually be any different for him than if he was on scholarship other than having that “little” $12k bill. I don’t think walk-ons technically have free access to on-campus meal plans and things like that, but as A. a basketball player and B. simply being Trayce Jackson-Davis nothing would change for him. 

[jepwatso]

17 minutes ago, Hovadipo said:

On-campus would be the only place it could be different, but I can’t imagine things would actually be any different for him than if he was on scholarship other than having that “little” $12k bill. I don’t think walk-ons technically have free access to on-campus meal plans and things like that, but as A. a basketball player and B. simply being Trayce Jackson-Davis nothing would change for him. 

You can say that again

[hoosierbgh]

3 hours ago, RaceToTheTop said:

I know.  But I haven't heard anyone in the athletic department state that it's went away.  If it has gone away, fine......but the AD should at least own that.

Edit:  Let's also face the fact that a huge reason it came about in the first place was the spring Creaning that went on.

Although the Student Bill of Rights was undoubtedly used as a PR push to counteract the perception of kicking underperforming players to the curb, it was never really a very likely option for healthy players that were capable of playing elsewhere. It also had more than a bit to do with injured football players saying they were being forced to play and something similar in one of the women's team sports around that time as well. 

[HoosierBoiler]

6 hours ago, JimmerNoe said:

With the addition of Malik and Dexter, along with Race and hopefully Trayce coming back, our 7 man rotation could consist of:
1. Preseason national AA (TJD)
2. Big Ten Honorable Mention (X)
3. Big Ten Honorable Mention (Race)
4. Conference DPOY (Dexter)
5. 5-star guard (JHS)
6. 5-star guard (Tamar)
7. 5-star big (Malik)

That leaves:
Miller (former starter)
Trey (starter minutes, energy/impact guy)
JG (who we all hope makes a huge leap)

Wow that’s a good problem to have.


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I personally think if we sign Dexter JG will transfer based on zero intel Lol. I love your top 7 and personally think you ad JG to that 7 man rotation if he stayed and roll with those 8. That would be a great rotation.

[RaceToTheTop]

4 hours ago, woodenshoemanHoosierfan said:

People keep talking about another person leaving(Kopp, Leal, Duncomb). Personally, I get the feeling TJD is staying in the draft.


 

If TJD stays in the draft.....IU could probably use another 5.  Going into the season expecting Race and Duncomb to exclusively handle the 5 isn't a great proposition.  My feeling is TJD staying in the draft doesn't really gain us anything in terms of saving a roster spot because IMO we would look to bring in a last minute 5.  

Part of me says that since IU really isn't pursuing any 5's, the staff might feel that TJD is coming back.

[jk34]

5 minutes ago, RaceToTheTop said:

If TJD stays in the draft.....IU could probably use another 5.  Going into the season expecting Race and Duncomb to exclusively handle the 5 isn't a great proposition.  My feeling is TJD staying in the draft doesn't really gain us anything in terms of saving a roster spot because IMO we would look to bring in a last minute 5.  

Part of me says that since IU really isn't pursuing any 5's, the staff might feel that TJD is coming back.

Every piece of advise/feedback he needs to hear, is in his coaches office. I believe you're right, they wouldn't be blindsided by his decision. I could also see 1-2 million reasons for him to stay.

[cthomas]

8 hours ago, Chris007 said:

Thank you. It seems from talking to some, that this has been already discussed with Leal and his family. I don't know that for sure but some boosters are telling me that. He won't be made to leave, he just might have to use NIL money to pay for school. 

I know all the arguments, but I'm not a fan of this approach. I understand that scholarships are a one year deal but I believe that commitments should be a two way street. If a kid gets a scholarship and fulfills his end of that agreement, then we should honor that. I want to win as much as anyone, but not at any cost. This all seems a little contradictory to the things that CMW said when he was hired. He was about family and being there for the kids on and off the court. Getting rid of kids who committed to you in a time of need just to marginally improve the roster does not seem right to me. A good culture should start with loyalty that goes both ways.

[HoosierHoops1]

6 hours ago, RaceToTheTop said:

It says more than that and its intent was certainly more than that.  It says a scholarship can't be pulled by a coach due to a player injury, illness, or performance.  I'm sure you aren't suggesting that Leal would be voluntarily giving up his scholarship out of the kindness of his heart.

Again, if the IU Student Bill of Rights isn't a thing anymore, then I just think the athletic department should say so and be done with it.  Just don't think they should say it's in place and then skirt around it anyway.

I don't think it says the coach can't pull it (IE: kick a kid off) but that the university still honors the concept of the scholly and the kid gets 4 years of free schooling.