2022-2023 IUBB Roster Projection

[Hovadipo 56,028]

2 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

It might’ve happened in the mod thread 

Anyway, it would largely depend on just how poor the poor man’s comparison ended up being.

Happened in Adou’s thread! Our resident player comparison maestro pandered to me hard on that whether he realized it before or not. 

[IU - Kaulie 1,891]

7 minutes ago, yogisballin said:

I do too...also gut feeling as well. That kid has things that you just simply cannot teach with the position that he plays. Which would benefit us tremendously on the defensive end. Being able to guard multiple positions.

Now about next year's roster. There are 3, maybe 4 that I'm for sure not inviting back if I'm Woody. The 3 are Durr, P Stew, and Kopp. I won't mention my 4th. If we lose Race, I really like what Geronimo gave us here at the end of the year. I'm  really hopeful in seeing him make a big jump. Lastly, I'm hopeful and curious as to what Logan D can bring. If I remember, seems he has the ability to stretch the floor. 

I welcome Kopp back if he wants to return.  He has represented IU well and has done nothing to warrant not being invited back.  We can be frustrated with his play and our expectations but his return should be his decision.

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3 minutes ago, IU - Kaulie said:

I welcome Kopp back if he wants to return.  He has represented IU well and has done nothing to warrant not being invited back.  We can be frustrated with his play and our expectations but his return should be his decision.

If he can bring the other Liver King back with him I’m all in!

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9 hours ago, Uspshoosier said:

I guess he still does but not sure why.  He is in attack mode 24/7.    Attack first and deal with the rest later.    I used to love listening to him on the radio but slowly after listening every day you can hear the hate in his voice.  Crazy thing to witness.  Last week I was driving somewhere during the day and someone called in and was trying to make a point but was clearly nervous and twisted some words.   Dan attacked first and belittled the guy and as it turned out he was trying to agree with what Dans point was.   He changed his tone and started being nice to the guy after that.    Attack first and deal with the rest later.    Just a terrible person in my opinion.  No need for me to listen to that kind of hate 

That's kind of the schtick these days.  We have a guy here in Chicago.  Used to do real good analysis.  Then he went "I'll be a Purdue Person" mode.  Sill has a show, but haven't listened to that station in 10 or so years.  

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10 minutes ago, IU - Kaulie said:

I welcome Kopp back if he wants to return.  He has represented IU well and has done nothing to warrant not being invited back.  We can be frustrated with his play and our expectations but his return should be his decision.

If Kopp is back, I'm like someone else said. I really hope that it is in a diminished role. 

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20 minutes ago, IU - Kaulie said:

I welcome Kopp back if he wants to return.  He has represented IU well and has done nothing to warrant not being invited back.  We can be frustrated with his play and our expectations but his return should be his decision.

Completely agree he hasn't done anything to embarrass IU off the court. There needs to be some difficult conversations in the coming weeks. It's good we have likeable players that don't get in trouble but are we going to win with them? I think Kopp could be a bench piece for a good team in the range of 9-10 place on the team. If we're still doing the second unit next season you bring him off the bench to get a few shots up. If he's hitting you feed him but if he's not you sit him. Unfortunately, I don't think that's how it plays out if he returns.

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I believe that CMW knows what needs to happen with our roster. He has been around basketball for to long not to. I don't want to kick anyone to the curb because I like these kids and how they have represented the program. But this is a business. And talent wins games. I feel confident that coach Woodson has a good feel now for what he needs to win in our conference. I believe he will make the decisions necessary to move the program forward.

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2 hours ago, yogisballin said:

If Kopp is back, I'm like someone else said. I really hope that it is in a diminished role. 

 

2 hours ago, HoosierAloha said:

Completely agree he hasn't done anything to embarrass IU off the court. There needs to be some difficult conversations in the coming weeks. It's good we have likeable players that don't get in trouble but are we going to win with them? I think Kopp could be a bench piece for a good team in the range of 9-10 place on the team. If we're still doing the second unit next season you bring him off the bench to get a few shots up. If he's hitting you feed him but if he's not you sit him. Unfortunately, I don't think that's how it plays out if he returns.

I agree that his role might/should change.  I hope that someone steps up and improves enough over the summer so he is not playing the minutes he received this year.  It has to be earned though.  This season our options were limited (no Bates wasn’t ready for big minutes).  Someone has to beat him out.  

[Honkyman 1,670]

The offense could be more open and fluid next season with Trayce Jackson Davis moving on. We could see something more like a three guard offense (Xavier Johnson if he stays, Jalen Hood-Schifino, and Tamar Bates) with Jordon Geronimo at the forward. Woodson will need to find a suitable replacement for TJD. The defense will suffer, however, since TJD turned into a strong rim protector this past season.

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9 hours ago, IU - Kaulie said:

 

I agree that his role might/should change.  I hope that someone steps up and improves enough over the summer so he is not playing the minutes he received this year.  It has to be earned though.  This season our options were limited (no Bates wasn’t ready for big minutes).  Someone has to beat him out.  

What constitutes earning minutes? For the first half of the Big 1.o, Kopp was bottom 2 or 3 on the team in production (by the numbers) but he continued to start and get minutes. It was almost like there was an agreement made when he transferred. We do need others to step up and make that leap over the summer regardless if Kopp returns or not.

[Demo 19,912]

13 hours ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

So that likely impacts Newton. I don’t think Banks changes this late in the game, if changes happen.


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It would be a real shame if Rosemond leaves, but Newton’s entire family has been crazy invested in IU since his commitment. I would be shocked if he flipped. No idea about Banks. But I imagine it would pull the plug on kids like Carr and Tiller. 

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12 hours ago, Hovadipo said:

Happened in Adou’s thread! Our resident player comparison maestro pandered to me hard on that whether he realized it before or not. 

I understand the pecking order around here. Pandering is in my job description. 

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3 hours ago, Honkyman said:

The offense could be more open and fluid next season with Trayce Jackson Davis moving on. We could see something more like a three guard offense (Xavier Johnson if he stays, Jalen Hood-Schifino, and Tamar Bates) with Jordon Geronimo at the forward. Woodson will need to find a suitable replacement for TJD. The defense will suffer, however, since TJD turned into a strong rim protector this past season.

This is what I'm really interested / curious about -- TJD is a fantastic player, hands above our best player, but we can't win playing almost entirely through the post, and with Geronimo and Bates / Galloway continuing to grow their games, and JHS coming in, we can be a more complete team that uses the wing and perimeter much more than we did this past season.

Defensively, Geronimo is right there on a per minute / per 40 basis in rim protection / blocks and rebounding. Losing TJD (assuming he declares and goes) is a big time hit, but then if he returns Race could play a major role while opening up our outside game. A lot to watch for over the summer --

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So do we expect individual meetings to happen soon? This week? 

[Hoosierfan2017 21,330]

15 minutes ago, HoosierHoopster said:

This is what I'm really interested / curious about -- TJD is a fantastic player, hands above our best player, but we can't win playing almost entirely through the post, and with Geronimo and Bates / Galloway continuing to grow their games, and JHS coming in, we can be a more complete team that uses the wing and perimeter much more than we did this past season.

Defensively, Geronimo is right there on a per minute / per 40 basis in rim protection / blocks and rebounding. Losing TJD (assuming he declares and goes) is a big time hit, but then if he returns Race could play a major role while opening up our outside game. A lot to watch for over the summer --

We’re not going to be a better, more complete team by trading a dollar for 4 quarters. We’d be losing a star without having anyone close to his caliber to replace him. We probably win 12 games this season without Trayce.

We had to play through the post so much because we had terrible wing play, terrible guard play, with the exception of an inconsistent Xavier Johnson, and terrible outside shooting. Playing through the post was our only option. The players you mentioned would all have to take astronomical leaps during the off-season. Otherwise we’re going to be an undersized team that also lacks shooting. At this point in their college careers they’re JAGs. 

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43 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

We’re not going to be a better, more complete team by trading a dollar for 4 quarters. We’d be losing a star without having anyone close to his caliber to replace him. We probably win 12 games this season without Trayce.

We had to play through the post so much because we had terrible wing play, terrible guard play, with the exception of an inconsistent Xavier Johnson, and terrible outside shooting. Playing through the post was our only option. The players you mentioned would all have to take astronomical leaps during the off-season. Otherwise we’re going to be an undersized team that also lacks shooting. At this point in their college careers they’re JAGs. 

Yes and no. We beat PU the first game bc TJD was on the bench and we went to guard play.
 

On the one hand, you seem to be overlooking that I don’t disagree that TJD is our best player and we have lacked outside shooting so we’ve had to go inside.

On the other hand we shot by numbers from outside, again, towards the bottom of the conf - you can’t win well playing a 2-point game against the norm, 3-point shooting — and the guys we added for 3-p shooting cant create their own shots, so a viscous circle. 
 

Bates and Geronimo will continue to improve including from outside, both are good outside shooters and i will bet you any day the week their shooting is better next season, but yeah of course we need to add shooting and I’ve bern saying that from day 1, with guys who can create their own shot. 

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I want to be clear up top that the Jimmys and Joes matter. Good players make good teams. This I get the handwringing about how we can possibly improve if some of our best players leave — it’s a good question.

On a team level, though — and bear with me, this is rote — you get better by scoring better, and stopping better.

This year’s team was just not very good at scoring, which won’t be news to anyone. On a component level, it was alright at 2s, and slightly below average from 3 and FT. Top 100 in avoiding being blocked, getting to the line, and avoiding TOs (impressive after a rough start).

Defensively IU was quite good: top 10 in keeping opponents from making twos, top 20 in block%, top 70 in defensive rebounding. It might’ve been even marginally better than it looked: opponents hit a higher % of FTs than you’d expect, which you have no control over.

So it’s the players who do the playing, yes. I’m worried the defense could take a step back on the interior without TJD and, to a lesser extent, Race, if they leave. But it could clearly improve in other areas, too, to compensate.

Offensively, though, there’s lots of room for growth. So to me, it’s too early to know what to expect, but I think it’s certainly possible that IU gets better even if right now, we’re not sure what a better roster looks like.

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2 minutes ago, HoosierHoopster said:

Yes and no. We beat PU the first game bc TJD was on the bench and we went to guard play.
 

On the one hand, you seem to be overlooking that I don’t disagree that TJD is our best player and we have lacked outside shooting so we’ve had to go inside.

On the other hand we shot by numbers from outside, again, towards the bottom of the conf - you can’t win well playing a 2-point game against the norm, 3-point shooting — and the guys we added for 3-p shooting cant create their own shots, so a viscous circle. 
 

Bates and Geronimo will continue to improve including from outside, both are good outside shooters and i will bet you any day the week their shooting is better next season, but yeah of course we need to add shooting and I’ve bern saying that from day 1, with guys who can create their own shot. 

I think part of the 3 point shooting was the position they were put in for their shots. P Stew shot more towards the end of the season but they weren't the best shots. I'm not sure our players understand the difference between a good shot and what they often took. I don't think our percentages would have been incredible had we taken better shots but I do think it would have increased.

What are you basing Bates and Geronimo as good shooters from?

[Hoosierfan2017 21,330]

8 minutes ago, HoosierHoopster said:

Yes and no. We beat PU the first game bc TJD was on the bench and we went to guard play.
 

On the one hand, you seem to be overlooking that I don’t disagree that TJD is our best player and we have lacked outside shooting so we’ve had to go inside.

On the other hand we shot by numbers from outside, again, towards the bottom of the conf - you can’t win well playing a 2-point game against the norm, 3-point shooting — and the guys we added for 3-p shooting cant create their own shots, so a viscous circle. 
 

Bates and Geronimo will continue to improve including from outside, both are good outside shooters and i will bet you any day the week their shooting is better next season, but yeah of course we need to add shooting and I’ve bern saying that from day 1, with guys who can create their own shot. 

We beat Purdue with good guard play. Xavier scored 18 pts and Phinisee had the game of his life, scoring 20 pts and shooting 62% from the field. That’s 2x his season field goal percentage and 4.5x his season ppg. Four years of Rob Phinisee shows that that game was an enormous outlier. But regardless, sure, if we could get that level of guard play every night we could be fine without Trayce. We just don’t have that. Some of our best games this season were when we got great play from both Xavier and Trayce. Michigan - 24 for Trayce, 17 for Xavier; Iowa - 31 for Trayce, 20 for Xavier. 

Tamar Bates has a long ways to go. He shot 33.8% from the field and 29.8% from 3. He shot 26% from the field in Big 10 play. Geronimo shot 31% from 3 and 56.8% from the free throw line this year. Galloway shot 21% from 3 this year. I certainly hope their shooting is better next year… 

Take away Trayce and you’re stuck replacing 18 ppg on 59% from the field. For a team that was so bad on the offensive end, that’s an enormous task. And losing your rim protector when defense is your calling card is also an enormous task. It’s not as simple as just sliding Race over to the 5 (if he even sticks around). He was a big beneficiary of playing next to Trayce. Trayce got a ton of the defensive attention. You’d be asking an undersized Race to essentially be our sole big in an incredibly physical conference. 

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56 minutes ago, HoosierAloha said:

I think part of the 3 point shooting was the position they were put in for their shots. P Stew shot more towards the end of the season but they weren't the best shots. I'm not sure our players understand the difference between a good shot and what they often took. I don't think our percentages would have been incredible had we taken better shots but I do think it would have increased.

What are you basing Bates and Geronimo as good shooters from?

Bates came to IU as a strong outside shooter, he has the history, technique, form and confidence— but he was a frosh playing mostly spot minutes and adjusting to the college game, he will get there and i’d lay money down on it. He’s a really strong 2-way player who can score at 3 levels. Nitpicking at his frosh numbers is just pointless.

Geronimo comes into a game cold and immediately drills a 3 with good form. His shooting numbers are too low to draw any real conclusions and it just irks me to read posts nitpicking at his percentages, just watch his shot, it’s good. However he doesn’t have the handle at this point to create his outside shot, that will require further development and growth in his game. Based on his big strides this season, i think that will come too, but that’s just projecting, proof   Will have to come from him.