Nebraska at Indiana Game Thread - Noon on BTN

[IU Scott 2,375]

2 hours ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

He probably won’t, and IU will be worse off in the long run because of it. 5 star recruits usually don’t stick around long when they don’t play.  We’re not in a position where we can afford to lose talented players. There’s no reason for him to get literally zero minutes. If Phinisee hadn’t fouled out against Syracuse this would’ve been his second straight DNP. He’s played well enough to deserve minutes and he’s never going to improve on his weaknesses (defense) if you just never play him. 

Have you been to practice to see how he is practicing.  I do not want coaches just giving playing time to players out of fear of losing a player.  I trust the coaches to be able to d code who deserves playing time.  It use to be normal for freshman to sit and wait their turn.

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I realize we are an injury away from depth problems but should/can we still redshirt Duncomb?

Think about this weird connection. Duncomb owned Furst in their AAU Matchup. (I think that performance mainly led to his catapult in rankings).

Anyway, Furst starts on #1 ranked Purdue and Duncomb doesn’t play on UR Indiana. Anyway, just an interesting connection. Furst is super versatile so that makes the biggest difference most likely.


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5 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

I realize we are an injury away from depth problems but should/can we still redshirt Duncomb?

Think about this weird connection. Duncomb owned Furst in their AAU Matchup. (I think that performance mainly led to his catapult in rankings).

Anyway, Furst starts on #1 ranked Purdue and Duncomb doesn’t play on UR Indiana. Anyway, just an interesting connection. Furst is super versatile so that makes the biggest difference most likely.


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He already played some games so he can’t redshirt unless it’s a medical redshirt 

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42 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Second one I suppose. I forgot that fans were allowed at the Florida State game last year, though I forget how many were allowed in. Playing on the road in front of a few dozen family members just isn’t the same thing. 

I think that he’s going to be a great player as an upperclassman, but more importantly, we need our highly ranked recruits to work out. If we recruit a 5 star point guard and he’s a dud it sets us back. Duke has 3 kids in the top 7 coming in next year. If one of them doesn’t work out it doesn’t really matter, they’ll just replace them. We can’t reload like that. JHS should be great, but he’s the only guy in the top 75 we have coming in. We need Lander to play like a 5 star next season with Bates and JHS, but I don’t think he’ll be here if he racks up the DNPs. 

Villanova doesn't get many 5 star players and lost one a couple of years ago.  He played sparingly in his one year at Villanova and now is on Alabama. You play the players who you think gives you the best chance of winning.  I will take Woodson's 40+ years of coaching over guys on a message board.

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Have you been to practice to see how he is practicing.  I do not want coaches just giving playing time to players out of fear of losing a player.  I trust the coaches to be able to d code who deserves playing time.  It use to be normal for freshman to sit and wait their turn.

I’ve coached lots teams I have a knack of figuring out who plays where and with whom and how much. Most good coaches are REALLY good with this. Good Coaches know better than fans/parents. Our staff has a lot of good basketball eyes and it’s their job to talk this thru. Sometimes you have a situation where it’s a toss up. Slide them both game time and it solves itself. Our coaches must not think it’s a toss up either.

 

When Lander played up with Leal and Galloway in AAU, Lander wasn’t the most effective player. And all 3 of those guys don’t play much.

 

Hopefully, Lander keeps competing and fighting. We’ll need him. We already have needed him.

 

 

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26 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

I’ll try to make this my last post here. I just don’t see the upside of giving Phinisee every backup pg minute and not playing Lander at all. It isn’t a decision that makes sense to me. They’re pretty comparable as players right now. Phinisee is who he is as a player. He’s been the same guy since his freshman year. Lander has serious offensive potential. Playing Lander some now in Phinisee’s place doesn't really hurt us in the present, and it will benefit us in the future. But, it is what it is. Nothing we can do as fans but watch. 

You play to win the game and Woodson feels RP gives him the best chance, it is that simple.  He is not going to try just let Lander au big minutes so he can develop and keep him from transferring.

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53 minutes ago, IU Scott said:

You play to win the game and Woodson feels RP gives him the best chance, it is that simple.  He is not going to try just let Lander au big minutes so he can develop and keep him from transferring.

C'mon, now -- you asked for this!!! 

 

[DChoosier 9,588]

50 minutes ago, IU Scott said:

In my day most freshman was brought along slowly but now of they don't get playing time right away people complain about.  Let the kid develop and let him earn the playing time instead of just giving minutes to him.

I agree he needs to earn his time.

In regard to freshmen being brought along slowly “in your day”…..I believe part of the angst, for those that are concerned about his playing time, is that he was a 5 star recruit that probably expected to play a lot early in his career. Nearly all of the IU highly recruited freshmen played a lot even “in your day”…..Damon Bailey, Jeffries, Alan Henderson, I. Thomas, Jay Edwards, Woody, Tolbert, Turner, Andre Patterson, etc etc were all highly recruited and played right away.  
All of the recent 5 stars that have already played at IU, since 2000, are Cody, Dj White, Blackmon, Gordon, Romeo, Voneih, Bryant and Yogi. All of them played a lot as freshman.
I’m not saying KL should get more minutes but his lack of playing time is an anomaly compared to other 5 star/burger boy IU recruits.

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37 minutes ago, IU Scott said:

Villanova doesn't get many 5 star players and lost one a couple of years ago.  He played sparingly in his one year at Villanova and now is on Alabama. You play the players who you think gives you the best chance of winning.  I will take Woodson's 40+ years of coaching over guys on a message board.

Villanova gets its fair share of 5 star players. Their championship team in 2018 had multiple 5 stars on it. Five of the players on that team have been drafted. They also have a top 5 coach in the country. We all want Woodson to succeed, but I’m not going to blindly trust every single decision that he makes as the coach. He’s a coach, not a god. He’s not infallible. It’s okay to not agree with 100% of what a coach does.i disagree with about 90% of the lineups Frank Vogel runs. This one isn’t a decision I agree with. 

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31 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

He already played some games so he can’t redshirt unless it’s a medical redshirt 

Yes, he played 4 minutes against NIU so the redshirt is out the window. I don’t understand why a football player can play 1/3  of a season, and still redshirt, while basketball players can’t redshirt once they play 1 second.

[Stromboli 6,223]

The Lander DNP is going to dominate discussion at least until the next game, eh? I tend to agree that the hand-wringing would be far less if he didn’t have 5*, and wasn’t from Indiana. We’re rooting for him and want to see a player that can be a star. 
 

I’m reminded of the phrase, if you name two starting quarterbacks, then you really just don’t have a starting quarterback. Neither of those guys are making much impact on the outcome. Lander is much better than last year, and I get that the trajectory is an argument in his favor. Hard not to speculate that’s there’s something going on that we don’t know about. I agree with the poster that pointed out that the staff is aware of the risk that he may transfer. 
 

Jordan Geronimo is making a case that he needs more time on the bench. Haven’t seen those Oladipo comparisons in a while. 
 

There are some of you here who can talk Xs and Os better than me, but I don’t think this is the offense Woodson intended, mostly because there’s no way to leave Race on the bench. He just does too much, and as a result we’re mostly an interior based team again. If Bates keeps growing he may earn more of Kopp’s minutes and make us a little more dynamic. 
 

Not a huge win, but a great win. We handled it and can add on another W. 

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34 minutes ago, DChoosier said:

I agree he needs to earn his time.

In regard to freshmen being brought along slowly “in your day”…..I believe part of the angst, for those that are concerned about his playing time, is that he was a 5 star recruit that probably expected to play a lot early in his career. Nearly all of the IU highly recruited freshmen played a lot even “in your day”…..Damon Bailey, Jeffries, Alan Henderson, I. Thomas, Jay Edwards, Woody, Tolbert, Turner, Andre Patterson, etc etc were all highly recruited and played right away.  
All of the recent 5 stars that have already played at IU, since 2000, are Cody, Dj White, Blackmon, Gordon, Romeo, Voneih, Bryant and Yogi. All of them played a lot as freshman.
I’m not saying KL should get more minutes but his lack of playing time is an anomaly compared to other 5 star/burger boy IU recruits.

Believe me that Lander is not even close to being that caliber of players. When he committed to us I watched his films and really was not overly impressed with him.  I thought he was truly overrated and wasn't near a 5 star player.  Also it was a huge mistake for him to give up his senior year of high school.

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1 minute ago, IU Scott said:

Believe me that Lander is not even close to being that caliber of players. When he committed to us I watched his films and really was not overly impressed with him.  I thought he was truly overrated and wasn't near a 5 star player.  Also it was a huge mistake for him to give up his senior year of high school.

I agree 100%. In no way am I saying he is the caliber of any of the players I mentioned.

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37 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Villanova gets its fair share of 5 star players. Their championship team in 2018 had multiple 5 stars on it. Five of the players on that team have been drafted. They also have a top 5 coach in the country. We all want Woodson to succeed, but I’m not going to blindly trust every single decision that he makes as the coach. He’s a coach, not a god. He’s not infallible. It’s okay to not agree with 100% of what a coach does.i disagree with about 90% of the lineups Frank Vogel runs. This one isn’t a decision I agree with. 

No one is perfect but will still trust him right now until proven wrong.  Us fans are not at practice and have no idea what his work ethic is.  Does he watch a lot of tape and stay after practice working on his game.  Is he practicing well and earning the playing time.

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2 minutes ago, DChoosier said:

I agree 100%. In no way am I saying he is the caliber of any of the players I mentioned.

I remember Coverdale's freshmen year and wondered why he didn't get any playing time.  He was a Mr. Basketball and usually those guys contribute early. Read things later that Coverdale was not ready to play at this level early.  Heard he was not doing well in practice so those was the reasons he didn't play 

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9 minutes ago, IU Scott said:

No one is perfect but will still trust him right now until proven wrong.  Us fans are not at practice and have no idea what his work ethic is.  Does he watch a lot of tape and stay after practice working on his game.  Is he practicing well and earning the playing time.

 I don’t know what happens at practice. I just know what happens during the games. Forget that Khristian Lander even exists for a moment. Phinisee just flat out hasn’t been getting the job done. He’s been bad. If he’s playing 24 mpg this year then we’re in trouble, just like we were last year. Xavier Johnson has to be able to keep himself on the floor because the drop off from him to the next guy is massive. 

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1 hour ago, IU Scott said:

I use to be like that but I have finally realized. that bitching about everything doesn't help.  I use to yell and scream during games like this but fortunately I out grew that.  Rather be positive because it is a lot better for your health.

I'm glad you found what works for your mental capacity.  Keep working on that.

The only two things that consistently annoy me about this team is missed free throws and Rob Phinisee picking up his dribble without a plan of where the ball will go next.  Rob Phinisee driving one on three and throwing up garbage.  Rob Phinisee pounding the air out of the ball watching the shot clock wind down.  His offensive iq is the worst I can remember.

Recognizing that isn't bad for my health.  It's not insisting I'm "right".  It seems to annoy some people, but I think I could successfully argue that those people are the ones who need to fix themselves rather than my observations.  This team is worse when the ball is in Rob's hands.  That's a fact.

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2 hours ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Second one I suppose. I forgot that fans were allowed at the Florida State game last year, though I forget how many were allowed in. Playing on the road in front of a few dozen family members just isn’t the same thing. 

I was at that game, it was a full house.  Probably 85% FSU fans, 15% IU

Wait...nevermind there were spaced out seats.  Probably 50% capacity.  But the available seats were full to the top

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6 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

 I don’t know what happens at practice. I just know what happens during the games. Forget that Khristian Lander even exists for a moment. Phinisee just flat out hasn’t been getting the job done. He’s been bad. If he’s playing 24 mpg this year then we’re in trouble, just like we were last year. Xavier Johnson has to be able to keep himself on the floor because the drop off from him to the next guy is massive. 

I still trust him more than Lander especially in late game situations.  He hit one game winner at the buzzer and at least 4 others where he hit the go ahead shots late in the game or OT.  I have not seen much from Lander this year that says he should get more PT.  A lot of his numbers came late in a blow out win.  He was saying against backups of a really bad team.