Game Thread: vs. St. John’s - 9:12 - FS1

[Brass Cannon 24,820]

4 minutes ago, ElectricBoogaloo said:

Anyone else think our offense was noticeably worse with Phin at PG? Seems like he's still in the Archieball mindset of dribbling the air out of the ball and limited movement. Hoping XJ limits his foul trouble this season.

Which is a bit crazy because while Archie couldn’t get them to play another way he didn’t want it either 

[IUc2016 7,121]

5 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

Josh was the first on this board to have called out Archie and it wasn’t close.     Why would he have to eat crow over an opinion? If you were insulted and called names why did you stay here and post or better yet why did you come back?

Haha pretty sure Josh immediately changed his tagline from Fire Tom Crean already this is embarrassing! to Fire Archie already this is embarrassing! or something along those lines 

was kinda comical 

[Uspshoosier 45,857]

5 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

Translation. Let us live in our fantasyland we don’t want differing opinions 

Translation:  who’s we?

[Brass Cannon 24,820]

4 minutes ago, IUc2016 said:

Haha pretty sure Josh immediately changed his tagline from Fire Tom Crean already this is embarrassing! to Fire Archie already this is embarrassing! or something along those lines 

was kinda comical 

I’m not even saying fire Woodson or anything but this team still has a lot of influence of Archie on it.  Let’s manage expectations so we don’t get surprised 

There is a reason Kenpom has us at 8th in the big ten. 

[IUc2016 7,121]

3 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

I’m not even saying fire Woodson or anything but this team still has a lot of influence of Archie on it.  Let’s manage expectations so we don’t get surprised 

There is a reason Kenpom has us at 8th in the big ten. 

No I get it. I was just commenting on him saying Josh was the first to call out Archie. 

This team has a lot to prove, last night was a good step but there were still a lot of lingering issues. I think most people can see that but they still like to enjoy the win that is all. 

[Dalton26 16,892]

4 hours ago, Whoozhers said:

“Stef Smith has big night for St. John’s despite Indiana fans’ vulgar chants”
New York Post headline

We don’t need this kind of press. Unnecessary.


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Well then maybe St Johns shouldn’t have tried getting under TJD’s skin with it first. They brought it up so it’s fair game 

[Dalton26 16,892]

12 minutes ago, IUc2016 said:

Haha pretty sure Josh immediately changed his tagline from Fire Tom Crean already this is embarrassing! to Fire Archie already this is embarrassing! or something along those lines 

was kinda comical 

Yeah have to give Josh the nod on that one. He may have hung on to Crean way too long but I think he called Archie the day he was hired. 

[Brass Cannon 24,820]

1 minute ago, IUc2016 said:

No I get it. I was just commenting on him saying Josh was the first to call out Archie. 

This team has a lot to prove, last night was a good step but there were still a lot of lingering issues. I think most people can see that but they still like to enjoy the win that is all. 

See I enjoy the win. But at the end of the day our goal isn’t to win some non conference game at home in November.   I’m more concerned about how we looked and how I think that translates to our bigger goal.   
 

Had we controlled the game and maintained an 8-14 point lead all the way through the second half I would feel alot better.  Had we done that by hitting our FTs I would be ecstatic.  

[Five Prime 1,093]

Omg, we are 3-0 with an overhauled roster, new head coach, and new staff.  Everything is fine.  

[JSHoosier 20,266]

1 hour ago, Brass Cannon said:

We shall see. Even Archie was able to be relatively successful in the non conference.  

As I said it’s not negativity. Archie was relatively successful in the non conference each year.  The question we face is can you be successful in the Big Ten If you can’t hit 3s or FTs.  I am very skeptical that a team can be. 

I certainly shared my opinions when we hired Woodson and get wanting to temper expectations, but in fairness with Miller we'd be 1-2 right now instead of 3-0.  A lot of things need to improve though.

[IUc2016 7,121]

5 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

See I enjoy the win. But at the end of the day our goal isn’t to win some non conference game at home in November.   I’m more concerned about how we looked and how I think that translates to our bigger goal.   
 

Had we controlled the game and maintained an 8-14 point lead all the way through the second half I would feel alot better.  Had we done that by hitting our FTs I would be ecstatic.  

I understand. I did watch both Illinois and Michigan lose to teams that didn't appear to be of the quality of St. John's so that does give me some confidence that IU will be just fine in the big ten this year. Do I know that for certain, no. But I am optimistic with what I have seen from the rest of the conference so far and from IU that we will be very competitive. 

I did not feel that way last year. 

[Brass Cannon 24,820]

13 minutes ago, Five Prime said:

Omg, we are 3-0 with an overhauled roster, new head coach, and new staff.  Everything is fine.  

Nothing about any of those things is inherently better 

[cthomas 6,486]

2 hours ago, Dave from Dayton said:

IU's lack of defense in the 2nd half almost lost the game.

I thought at times in the second half that the defense was a little slow to react. Like a little of the urgency was missing. We were also getting beat to loose balls quite a bit. That said, CMW seemed pretty pleased with the defense in his post game interview. So, what do I know.

[Uspshoosier 45,857]

10 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

Nothing about any of those things is inherently better 

Maybe in your opinion but maybe not in the opinion of others 

[Stromboli 6,076]

I’ll say, the grumbling about Archie’s offense came early. It was just clear that it didn’t work, even when we’d win. Most of us chose patience and a tempered approach. 
 

I think the point right now is that we’re doing extraordinarily well given the circumstances. Stevens, Oates, Billy, whoever wasn’t coming and maybe wouldn’t have been able to accomplish what this staff has at this point. Overhauled roster and some very good recruiting in a few months. New defense that works better and without idiotic lines like “it takes 3 years to install.” Shooters have been added, working within the roster limitations. An insane staff including Matta and Fife. Retention of major assets like TJD and Race and Geronimo. And maybe most importantly a new fiery, upbeat feel to the team. 
 

At this juncture, I just don’t think you can point to many areas where it could be going better. Give some time to see the changes and check the trajectory. We’re no world beaters. We’re probably not going to the Final Four. We shoot 53% from FT in a game we won. Ok so we work on it. 
 

We will lose games! Duh. We’re not undefeatable yet. But no one has been since 1976. I’m not going to compare this team to that team or Gonzaga or Michigan (who just lost) yet. I’ll check how we’ve done since we fired Archie. It’s a great trajectory. AND I’ll cheer for my team because I’m a fan. Seeing areas for improvement is fine. But I can’t understand getting a win like last night and not just sitting in the enjoyment of it.

[Five Prime 1,093]

14 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

Nothing about any of those things is inherently better 

I think you should watch a different team.  Maybe Purdue and Painter would make you happier?

[HoosierHoopster 7,021]

54 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

I’m not even saying fire Woodson or anything but this team still has a lot of influence of Archie on it.  Let’s manage expectations so we don’t get surprised 

There is a reason Kenpom has us at 8th in the big ten. 

Has UM lost yet? Has Illinois? Where does Kenpom have them? Kenpom ratings mean next to nothing at this point in the year, they factor in last year's stats. No idea where we'll end up at the end of the year, but winning a close game after having a large lead against a solid team (and I think a tourney team) does not signal weakness, imo. 

[Stuhoo 80,968]

4 hours ago, LIHoosier said:

The NY Post calling out anyone/thing for something vulgar is rich. They have front page headlines that conjure up way worse things than what the students chanted last night.

[Stuhoo 80,968]

1 hour ago, Brass Cannon said:

Translation. Let us live in our fantasyland we don’t want differing opinions 

 

NO ONE is curtailing your right to have a differing opinion.

Differing opinions are funny things; you are certainly allowed to express yours, and many others are allowed to disagree with THEIR differing opinions.

Let's not get to a point where you have a differing opinion, and thereafter no one is allowed to dissent. That wouldn't really be allowing differing opinions now, would it?

 

[HoosierAloha 30,068]

Can we knock off the pettiness? I know I’m to blame for some of it so here’s to me owning up to it. One of the main reasons I like this site is the ability to have differing opinions backed by some evidence WITHOUT the global immaturity.

We are 3-0 with a good win against St. John’s. Great!

We have slipped up in some areas and continue to struggle with some basics good teams posses.

Both of these things can be true, your opinion is valued. Your BS can be thrown in the ocean (if you can hit it)


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