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Just now, Hornsby said:

Of course Woodson isn't passing it up. He knows he cannot be fired at iu so he is here as long as he wants to be.

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And he seems content with screwing the program. No shocker.

[Uspshoosier 45,678]

1 minute ago, HoosierTrav said:

Who dis? 

Seniors.  no one in particular 

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If you're Dolson, gotta grow a pair and hand a blank check to Lloyd's agent, Drew's agent, Donovan's agent and ask "what will it take" and work from there. Act like a damned blue blood instead of Northwestern.

[southernindianahoosier2 902]

10 minutes ago, HoosierTrav said:

According to Dakich, yes.

Jesus - So you're telling me that Tom Crean won 8 BT games in 3 years at IU. Then IU didn't make the move on Stevens because of the Zeller recruitment, based purely on one recruit,  and then gave him a $10M buyout the following year for making it to a S16? Was there anyone else that was saying Creans S16 years were more of a false positive and ceiling of his potential and that this was a bad idea? 

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8 minutes ago, southernindianahoosier2 said:

Jesus - So you're telling me that Tom Crean won 8 BT games in 3 years at IU. Then IU didn't make the move on Stevens because of the Zeller recruitment, based purely on one recruit,  and then gave him a $10M buyout the following year for making it to a S16? Was there anyone else that was saying Creans S16 years were more of a false positive and ceiling of his potential and that this was a bad idea? 

We haven't been a serious University in decades.

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2 minutes ago, Kentuckysucks said:

We haven't been a serious University in decades.

How are we not serious? We signed Tom Crean to a $10M buyout when Brad Stevens was available. Then after paying a cumulative $24.5M to fire both his football and basketball hires, our AD wrote a book titled "How I rebuilt Indiana Athletics"

Imagine reading this statement as someone who's not an IU fan.

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12 minutes ago, southernindianahoosier2 said:

Jesus - So you're telling me that Tom Crean won 8 BT games in 3 years at IU. Then IU didn't make the move on Stevens because of the Zeller recruitment, based purely on one recruit,  and then gave him a $10M buyout the following year for making it to a S16? Was there anyone else that was saying Creans S16 years were more of a false positive and ceiling of his potential and that this was a bad idea? 

No use crying over spilled milk. We're talking about something over a decade ago at this point.

And no reason to believe that if Stevens had wound up here, he wouldn't have just left when the NBA came calling anyway. So at best he'd have probably gotten things rolling, reached a similar level of success at Butler (maybe 1 FF or championship game appearance) then left. OBVIOUSLY it would be great to have done that, but it's all fantasy, so why get upset wondering about the what ifs? 

It's a new situation in 2024. Lot of season left. Lot of time for circumstances to change. We'll see!

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7 minutes ago, Home Jersey said:

No use crying over spilled milk. We're talking about something over a decade ago at this point.

And no reason to believe that if Stevens had wound up here, he wouldn't have just left when the NBA came calling anyway. So at best he'd have probably gotten things rolling, reached a similar level of success at Butler (maybe 1 FF or championship game appearance) then left. OBVIOUSLY it would be great to have done that, but it's all fantasy, so why get upset wondering about the what ifs? 

It's a new situation in 2024. Lot of season left. Lot of time for circumstances to change. We'll see!

True true. I get worked up some times because the product has been bad for so many years that I'm trying to make sense on how this even happened in the first place and continues to happen. I searching for a glimmer of hope that things will be better. 

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Just now, southernindianahoosier2 said:

True true. I get worked up some times because the product has been bad for so many years that I'm trying to make sense on how this even happened in the first place and continues to happen. I searching for a glimmer of hope that things will be better. 

We're in the same boat there brother! Think we're all searching for some reason to be optimistic at this point. 

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32 minutes ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

And he seems content with screwing the program. No shocker.

I mean, I don't think he thinks he's the problem at this point.  Besides roster construction, it would be easy to pass the blame onto the players this year and feel authentic.  Our guys have been pretty bad. Now granted, outside looking in, besides roster construction, he has done a lot of harm.  Re:substitutions, play style, fundamentals, shot selection, defense in general.

Anyway, I genuinely don't think Woodson believes this one is on him besides the maybe the Guard situation.  

And that is part of my concern, is knowing what type of talent and scheme it takes to build a top 10 team.  I think a lot of the staff thought they had top 10 talent this year.  Heck, Even I could see it with improvement from X and Galloway.  

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1 hour ago, Chris007 said:

Couldn't have said it better myself and that's saying a lot :-)

Tell him he will always have access to the program, lifetime membership to the golf course, and go enjoy spoiling that grandbaby. 

Agree, Woodson won't be fired, ......he will leave/retire before it gets too hot. He originally signed a deal for six years and said he was hoping to coach till he was 75. He's definitely not the kind of guy to wear out his welcome.

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30 minutes ago, southernindianahoosier2 said:

How are we not serious? We signed Tom Crean to a $10M buyout when Brad Stevens was available. Then after paying a cumulative $24.5M to fire both his football and basketball hires, our AD wrote a book titled "How I rebuilt Indiana Athletics"

Imagine reading this statement as someone who's not an IU fan.

I think that kinda proves how unserious we are...

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1 minute ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

I think that kinda proves how unserious we are...

He was being sarcastic bud

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34 minutes ago, southernindianahoosier2 said:

How are we not serious? We signed Tom Crean to a $10M buyout when Brad Stevens was available. Then after paying a cumulative $24.5M to fire both his football and basketball hires, our AD wrote a book titled "How I rebuilt Indiana Athletics"

Imagine reading this statement as someone who's not an IU fan.

You forgot to add that we paid a $10M buyout to fire Archie and then hired a guy who is now performing far worse in year 3 than Archie did in year 3.  Year's 1 and 2 were all Trayce.

You seriously cannot make this sh** up.

[AZ Hoosier 7,127]

43 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

I mean, I don't think he thinks he's the problem at this point.  Besides roster construction, it would be easy to pass the blame onto the players this year and feel authentic.  Our guys have been pretty bad. Now granted, outside looking in, besides roster construction, he has done a lot of harm.  Re:substitutions, play style, fundamentals, shot selection, defense in general.

Anyway, I genuinely don't think Woodson believes this one is on him besides the maybe the Guard situation.  

And that is part of my concern, is knowing what type of talent and scheme it takes to build a top 10 team.  I think a lot of the staff thought they had top 10 talent this year.  Heck, Even I could see it with improvement from X and Galloway.  

A lot of this (most of this?) IS on Woodson. Roster construct is an embarrassment. In the pressers he throws players under the bus and talks constantly about "we gotta get better" and "gotta get 'em over the hump", but whatever hump they're trying to get over, Woody kills the efforts with the crappy substitution patterns and schemes... He's regularly out-coached game in and game out... and his arrogance isn't doing him any favors with comments like "I'm not gonna sit here and answer questions from the fans or you...". That attitude might work if he was winning... but he's not... and when he loses, he loses big time... and we're getting into the tough part of the schedule... it's only gonna get worse... @ Purdue, @ Illinois, vs Iowa, 2 against Wisconsin... 

Hope he's got a magical rabbit in his hat.

EDIT: Corrected upcoming schedule

 

Edited January 18 by AZ Hoosier

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Just now, AZ Hoosier said:

A lot of this (most of this?) IS on Woodson. Roster construct is an embarrassment. In the pressers he throws players under the bus and talks constantly about "we gotta get better" and "gotta get 'em over the hump", but whatever hump they're trying to get over, Woody kills the efforts with the crappy substitution patterns and schemes... He's regularly out-coached game in and game out... and his arrogance isn't doing him any favors with comments like "I'm not gonna sit here and answer questions from the fans or you...". That attitude might work if he was winning... but he's not... and when he loses, he loses big time... and we're getting into the tough part of the schedule... it's only gonna get worse... @ Purdue, 2 against Illinois, @ Iowa, 2 against Wisconsin... 

 

Other than this you're a fan?

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If we are discussing potential coaches I would have to think more about it, but if there is one hard no it’s Chris Beard.

He is a hard yes for me. He is a winning coach who has demons. Frankly, I am just tired of losing. I would risk it for the winning period. I never thought I would say it but IU ball basically sucks and no fun to watch. I have doing less and less watching as the years of mediocrity flow by. Get a winner that knows how to coach college basketball.

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Just now, Stuhoo said:

Other than this you're a fan?

Yep... just not one with crimson colored glasses...

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3 minutes ago, sweetpain said:

He is a hard yes for me. He is a winning coach who has demons. Frankly, I am just tired of losing. I would risk it for the winning period. I never thought I would say it but IU ball basically sucks and no fun to watch. I have doing less and less watching as the years of mediocrity flow by. Get a winner that knows how to coach college basketball.

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It's been a very poor product for the better part of the last 10 years. 

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7 minutes ago, AZ Hoosier said:

it's only gonna get worse... @ Purdue, 2 against Illinois, @ Iowa, 2 against Wisconsin... 

Hope he's got a magical rabbit in his hat.

Iu only  plays Illinois once this year and the Iowa game is at home