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14 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

That’s what I figure, but his response still doesn’t make any sense. I rarely talk about Brad Stevens. But more importantly, it’s been said a number of times on here that he didn’t enjoy recruiting in college. He’s paid quite well in his current job, he doesn’t have to recruit, and he has a good, young team. And if Boston fired him for whatever reason, another team would love to scoop him up. 

pretty much agree except that by now Brad has to know that, if he came back to college coaching, with his name recognition and NBA pedigree the recruiting would largely take care of itself--I don't think Saban likes recruiting (Dabo, on the other hand, I suspect does) but Saban's name and the Alabama brand have to make recruiting at least somewhat less of a grind than it is for most other head coaches.

I think it would be much the same for Stevens if he left the NBA and returned to head up an elite college program. Unfortunately, I also think IU no longer belongs in that category, so it would probably be at a school like UNC, Kansas or Duke.

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@Chris007 As is with many of us, you're the source of truth! I'm a loyalist; a defender of Archie (previously). While I'd love to be Gonzaga, I realize you win some, lose some. Our trajectory, inability to win and overall player demeanor is as low as I've seen it, including CTC, Sampson and Davis. In my mind, Dolson comes from what many of us remember as the Golden Era of IUBB. That's in the rear view, and I was chatting with some other very loyal IUBB guys last night about the risk the program faces today. That risk is the turnover of those who remember the Golden Era not buying season tickets and the newest generation of Hoosier fans not knowing wins. Assembly Hall has been deflated since Archie came in and for the last few years of CTC. Logic, in my mind, says Dolson is well aware of this and next year does way more damage than prolonging the winning/coaching/funding problem. It likely takes us into 2024 *yikes before we can compete again if we ride this out. I tend to think a donor buyout isn't the only solution. My big question/thought/whatever - The loss of program revenue going forward by keeping CAM an additional year is going to be very significant; more significant than a buyout now. No recruits coming in, likely players transferring out who want to win and CAM becoming a lame duck will crush attendance next year. Then a 2023 reset....can you really see Dolson letting that happen in his first 2 years for what was, in his eyes and his experience, a Blue Blood program? Maybe, just maybe, IUBB will finally go big after swinging and missing on 4 coaches in a row. I value all of your posts Chris and would love to hear your opinion on this.

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We are in the middle of everything changing in college athletics. In many ways a reset will happen. Dolson HAS to decide where this program is headed post Covid. You will need to come out firing on all cylinders on the other side of this. If not you will be left behind and a buyout will look cheap.

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If people were pissed when Archie swung and missed on Brooks, Kauffman and the like I shudder thinking of the reaction when Alford fails to land anyone of that caliber. It’s been over 30 years since he was at IU which will be nearly twice the age of anyone he’d be recruiting. If Dolson fails to see that, we’re doomed. Love to be proven wrong but I don’t think I would.

Strike that - I don’t want to be proven wrong as I’d prefer someone else.

 

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6 hours ago, LamarCheeks said:

At this point, I cannot imagine Archie is happy -- with IU's performance, with his performance, with the perception of him now as opposed to after his final year at Dayton. 

I highly doubt it, but I wonder if there's any chance he just goes to Dolson after the season and says, "Four years ago, I thought this was a great fit. But clearly, it's not. This isn't working for me, and it isn't working for the university. Let's just part ways amicably, come up with a little settlement -- and I'll be on my way, in search of a better fit for me. And the school can find a better fit as well." 

I think that's pretty much what happened with Mike Davis. 

Archie is too damn prideful to do that.

We have the chance according to "logic" to be better next year on the court. I see this going a couple different ways.

 

a ) Indiana fails to make the NCAA Tournament / advance far in the tourney next year and Archie is fired in March / April

b) Indiana finishes top 4 in the conference and makes a run to the Sweet 16 and gives Archie another year.

 

 

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At this point, I cannot imagine Archie is happy -- with IU's performance, with his performance, with the perception of him now as opposed to after his final year at Dayton. 
I highly doubt it, but I wonder if there's any chance he just goes to Dolson after the season and says, "Four years ago, I thought this was a great fit. But clearly, it's not. This isn't working for me, and it isn't working for the university. Let's just part ways amicably, come up with a little settlement -- and I'll be on my way, in search of a better fit for me. And the school can find a better fit as well." 
I think that's pretty much what happened with Mike Davis. 

That would be ideal so I doubt it goes that way.

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8 hours ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

What?

Your quote dropped off. The part about Steven’s not coming back to college and if he did, it wouldn’t be at Indiana. That’s not true, at least the last part. 

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Just now, MikeRoberts said:

Your quote dropped off. The part about Steven’s not coming back to college and if he did, it wouldn’t be at Indiana. That’s not true, at least the last part. 

I agree.

1. Brad Stevens is NOT coming back to college coaching, but
2. if he ever did (which he is most definitely NOT doing) Indiana might be an attractive option for him.

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8 hours ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

Why should he not defend him before anything came out? What if it all turned out to be a lie? Because that never happens right? Maybe his knee jerk reaction was exactly that? Because he's human and people do things like that. And he's obviously learned from his mistakes. Because clearly nothing like it has ever happened at any point in his coaching career. If that were such a god awful thing, he would never coach again in college basketball. But guess what? He's had 3 different jobs since then. And I can guarantee you, he's been asked about it at every single interview. If no one is allowed to make mistakes and learn from them, well then screw it. Everyone needs fired. 

In 2002 Alford enlisted the help of close friend Jim Goodrich, the campus representative for Christian group Athletes in Action who often traveled with the team and conducted bible-study sessions. Per specific instruction from Alford, the victim was invited to what she was told was a “prayer meeting,” at which she was urged to back off and not cause problems for a basketball program that could overpower her.

After the Pierce plea deal, Alford was also rebuked by Johnson County State’s Attorney Patrick White, who told the Daily Iowan “We have difficulty getting convictions in these kinds of cases because victims are afraid of how they will be treated or how juries will look at them.”

As described in the Tribune story, a furious Alford responded to White’s comments by initiating a phone call that became a shouting match.

 

8 hours ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

I believe Alford learned from his mistake. Which is clearly evident in his track record since. 

In a 2003 radio interview, Alford still defended Pierce, and basically said everyone else needed to get over it: “This is already behind us. I already told you, two lives have been affected. Now, they’ve gotta move on. … You can’t keep dwelling on something that’s already happened. … What I’ve tried to do with Pierre and his family is really support him in every way I can.”

 

From 2013: “That was an instance that happened years ago,” he said. “I followed everything that the University of Iowa, the administration, the lawyers that were hired…I followed everything that I was told to do.”

The lawyer for Pierce’s victim disagrees. Jerry Crawford told KXNO radio, “Perhaps the amnesia of walking away from a new 10-year contract for a new seven-year contract has clouded his memory somewhat.”

“It gives a whole new meaning to ‘self-serving,’” Crawford said. “Now that Alford said what he said at the press conference, tomorrow’s story should be all about the fact that it’s just not true, that he didn’t do everything the university told him.”

What’s worse is the whopper Alford dropped in the breakout sessions after his oily performance at the lectern. LA times reporter Chris Foster told The Boers and Bernstein Show yesterday that he asked Alford about his comment at Big Ten Media Day in 2003 in which the coach declared: “I totally believe he is innocent. I believed it from day one, and I still believe it.”

Foster said that Alford’s explanation Tuesday was that “nothing had been proven at that point.”

Except Pierce’s guilt, that is. At the time of Alford’s staunch defense of his player, a plea deal had been agreed upon and was being finalized. And he knew it.

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In a 2003 radio interview, Alford still defended Pierce, and basically said everyone else needed to get over it: “This is already behind us. I already told you, two lives have been affected. Now, they’ve gotta move on. … You can’t keep dwelling on something that’s already happened. … What I’ve tried to do with Pierre and his family is really support him in every way I can.”

 

From 2013: “That was an instance that happened years ago,” he said. “I followed everything that the University of Iowa, the administration, the lawyers that were hired…I followed everything that I was told to do.”

The lawyer for Pierce’s victim disagrees. Jerry Crawford told KXNO radio, “Perhaps the amnesia of walking away from a new 10-year contract for a new seven-year contract has clouded his memory somewhat.”

“It gives a whole new meaning to ‘self-serving,’” Crawford said. “Now that Alford said what he said at the press conference, tomorrow’s story should be all about the fact that it’s just not true, that he didn’t do everything the university told him.”

What’s worse is the whopper Alford dropped in the breakout sessions after his oily performance at the lectern. LA times reporter Chris Foster told The Boers and Bernstein Show yesterday that he asked Alford about his comment at Big Ten Media Day in 2003 in which the coach declared: “I totally believe he is innocent. I believed it from day one, and I still believe it.”

Foster said that Alford’s explanation Tuesday was that “nothing had been proven at that point.”

Except Pierce’s guilt, that is. At the time of Alford’s staunch defense of his player, a plea deal had been agreed upon and was being finalized. And he knew it.

But that was 20 years ago. Time to move on. (Sarcasm)

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1 minute ago, woodenshoemanHoosierfan said:

But that was 20 years ago seven years ago. Time to move on. (Sarcasm)

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Fixed it.

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1 hour ago, MikeRoberts said:

Your quote dropped off. The part about Steven’s not coming back to college and if he did, it wouldn’t be at Indiana. That’s not true, at least the last part. 

The Duke and UNC jobs will be available at some point in the near future. And if Stevens wanted to come back to college, I imagine several other marquee programs would kick the tires on him too even if they didn’t have openings. The draw to come back home to Indiana would have to be pretty high, imo, for him to pick us over other potential openings. But him becoming the head coach of the Pacers is more likely than him becoming the IU coach, imo, because I don’t think he’s leaving the NBA. 

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If Alford did to my daughter what he did to that girl I would be renting a backhoe.  

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How is stating we’d have to pay Archie’s buyout and a new coach’s salary fear-mongering?


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Steve Alford isn’t even a good coach. He’s coached D1 basketball since 1995 and has never made it past the sweet 16. Take his name off his resume and IU would have no interest in him. His calling card is that he won a national championship at IU 34 years ago, but unfortunately that doesn’t help his mediocre coaching. 

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33 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Steve Alford isn’t even a good coach. He’s coached D1 basketball since 1995 and has never made it past the sweet 16. Take his name off his resume and IU would have no interest in him. His calling card is that he won a national championship at IU 34 years ago, but unfortunately that doesn’t help his mediocre coaching. 

Fully agree. However, I imagine he'll get a call just because he's IU and knows our AD well.

We're going to have to hire a mid-major come up and I don't know who that guy will be.

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The problem IU will face is that they never tried the “IU” guy approach. We went a lot of directions but did not try that. Is that a guarantee for success ~ no. But it is a route not traveled and alumni/boosters who dole out money may have an interest in this.

The problem is there really aren’t any obvious home run candidates. 20 years of mediocrity and coaching turnover hasn’t helped groom anyone.


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Just now, 8bucks said:

The problem IU will face is that they never tried the “IU” guy approach. We went a lot of directions but did not try that. Is that a guarantee for success ~ no. But it is a route not traveled and alumni/boosters who dole out money may have an interest in this.

The problem is there really aren’t any obvious home run candidates. 20 years of mediocrity and coaching turnover hasn’t helped groom anyone.


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Mike Davis counts as an IU guy.  And our greatest success was with a coach with the least connections to the program.  

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1 minute ago, 8bucks said:

The problem IU will face is that they never tried the “IU” guy approach. We went a lot of directions but did not try that. Is that a guarantee for success ~ no. But it is a route not traveled and alumni/boosters who dole out money may have an interest in this.

The problem is there really aren’t any obvious home run candidates. 20 years of mediocrity and coaching turnover hasn’t helped groom anyone.


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This is a statement in more general terms but it drives me ******* bonkers.  When there is an opening, whatever the job is, you hire the person that is the best candidate.  We've ****ed this up so many times you'd think we'd learn from it but, sadly, we'll probably continue to **** it up by trying to satisfy some outside entity.  HIRE THE BEST CANDIDATE FOR THE ******* PROGRAM!

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Even if we hire another mediocre coach but he can recruit guards we would be well ahead of where we are currently.