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[Scotty R 2,127]

1 minute ago, NashvilleHoosier said:

So goes the portal. They need to close at some point for sure. But I’m not spending any time thinking we missed out on a leading scorer from a 12 win team from the Big booty conference. 

I remember last year OSU fans excited about a transfer from Wright State last year. He scored over 30 in a play in game last year and averaged like 18 a game. This year at OSU he barely played.  A few years ago they got the player of the year from Harvard but injuries didn't allow him to play much.

[Scotty R 2,127]

3 minutes ago, JSHoosier said:

Then Kentucky would never get a recruit.  I'm not condoning things some of our fans have done but UK fans are worse.

We know why UK use to get the one and done players and now the advantage is over they haven't been very good.

[RaceToTheTop 24,957]

6 minutes ago, Scotty R said:

We know why UK use to get the one and done players and now the advantage is over they haven't been very good.

Kentucky has had one bad season -- the covid season.  22, 26, 25, 30, 26, and 32 win seasons in the other six season not including that year.

I'd KILL for IU to have 'not been that good' in that time span.

[Scotty R 2,127]

4 minutes ago, RaceToTheTop said:

Kentucky has had one bad season -- the covid season.  22, 26, 25, 30, 26, and 32 win seasons in the other six season not including that year.

I'd KILL for IU to have 'not been that good' in that time span.

Mainly talking about in the tournament.

[Choopy 676]

Deloach to Georgia tomorrow.


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[IUFAN1976 2,787]

6 minutes ago, Ngw7183 said:

 

Let’s go fully back since Race and Brass want to keep referring back to that. You thought for sure you were right in calling me out for this earlier today when you were sure it couldn’t be Tenn. how? Simple, they just pushed a guy out who had 60 min total last year and yes, I knew he was going Tenn and not Oregon due to social media and his follow trends these past few days. I don’t want credit, trying to play told you so etc. zero reason for this. The irony is you are the guys “talking down” to me about something you don’t understand. 

Ledlum was all IUs and yes his social media said this. He almost didn’t go and was ours. The visit got him. He goes to Tenn. they sell him on what they have to offer. Knecht they did the same. It is product on the floor (we have to get back to there) and athlete experience. These Arkansas, Alabama and Tenn schools keep winning recruits because what they did to build up the athlete section of campus and good football is fun too for top athletes. (Remember Clowney as well. Lost to a football school after a visit when they were sure they had him.) Yes, UNC, Duke, Kansas etc don’t apply. They win, NBA etc. - but this goes quick as UNC is finding by missing on all but Cormac. 

Then I see people  talking down Woodson. He is all we got to sell right now. He is it.  We lose him we are back to Archie days. We have nothing else. The history, campus, etc doesn’t do it for these guys. It doesn’t mean the school sucks. We have won some great recruits. We did because Woodson. He was able to win their hearts and minds and overcome the negatives. 

What can we do about these areas they beat us on? Build back to winning, hope new leaders see the need to invest way more into athletic perks, hope Big Ten gets it together and give Woodson actual time. 

Lastly, I am very confident come the end of this portal and recruiting that many will be eating crow. There is no need to freak but trying to answer that question of how? How are the doing it? 

NIL will help some but doesn’t cure all the challenges as we are seeing

You are right, we need to figure out why we are losing recruits to a football school.  I think they may have more NIL money to offer based because of their extra boosters and money generated from their football programs!  I could be wrong, but something is causing us to lose recruits to these schools and it isn’t Woodson 

[Golfman25 5,017]

1 hour ago, RaceToTheTop said:

So your narrative is that the coaches felt they could get a top tenish portal transfer at a position of need and decided to move on from him?

I have to say your ‘defending’ of the staff is actually a pretty good put down.  The staff wanted him and didn’t get him.  It happens.  It’s not about the fall, it’s how they respond now.

I don’t know who specifically you’re talking about bit if the kid is a potential cancer, it’s safe to move on.  The zoom call is the initial feeler to see if there is a fit.  Every kid you talk to may not be a fit.  Some of these guys in the portal have warts — which is why they are there.  

[RaceToTheTop 24,957]

3 minutes ago, Golfman25 said:

I don’t know who specifically you’re talking about bit if the kid is a potential cancer, it’s safe to move on.  The zoom call is the initial feeler to see if there is a fit.  Every kid you talk to may not be a fit.  Some of these guys in the portal have warts — which is why they are there.  

Knecht.  I have yet to hear any account that the staff was out on him and every person I consider reliable stating that IU was still pursuing him and was trying to get him to visit.  As I’ve said, staffs are going to miss on more recruits than they succeed on.  I just think it’s okay accept that we missed on him.

[Golfman25 5,017]

19 minutes ago, IUFAN1976 said:

You are right, we need to figure out why we are losing recruits to a football school.  I think they may have more NIL money to offer based because of their extra boosters and money generated from their football programs!  I could be wrong, but something is causing us to lose recruits to these schools and it isn’t Woodson 

Maybe those coaches are lying and blowing smoke up their butts.  Maybe Woodson is too honest.  Look how he handled TJD coming back.  

[normandale97 203]

42 minutes ago, IUFAN1976 said:

You are right, we need to figure out why we are losing recruits to a football school.  I think they may have more NIL money to offer based because of their extra boosters and money generated from their football programs!  I could be wrong, but something is causing us to lose recruits to these schools and it isn’t Woodson 

It isn’t $

[IUFAN1976 2,787]

32 minutes ago, Golfman25 said:

Maybe those coaches are lying and blowing smoke up their butts.  Maybe Woodson is too honest.  Look how he handled TJD coming back.  

You could be right!  Nonetheless, we will land somebody that will contribute to our team

[IUFAN1976 2,787]

11 minutes ago, normandale97 said:

It isn’t $

Then what the heck is it?  It could be what Goldman stated, Woodson is just too honest 

[iubb 2,492]

Maybe those coaches are lying and blowing smoke up their butts.  Maybe Woodson is too honest.  Look how he handled TJD coming back.  

Speaking as a human. I would rather have boss a who is honest with me than a boss who blows smoke up my rear. One leads to success in life. The other does not.

 

 

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[iubb 2,492]

But I assume you are a little older and wiser. What did you want as 20 year old who thinks they are a first rounder? What was important to you. It takes special kids to be a TJD. 

I would want my coach to be honest with me so i dont end up washed out of the NBA (or NFL, or any sport) after my rookie contract


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14 minutes ago, iubb said:

I would want my coach to be honest with me so i dont end up washed out of the NBA (or NFL, or any sport) after my rookie contract


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He’s not their coach yet. There’s plenty of time for that later on. You’re trying to wine and dine recruits. The blunt ‘here’s what you stink at’ approach isn’t the best recruiting strategy. 

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5 hours ago, woodenshoemanHoosierfan said:

 

 

100% agree. Way too early to Wile E Coyote

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[woodenshoemanHoosierfan 6,182]

But I assume you are a little older and wiser. What did you want as 20 year old who thinks they are a first rounder? What was important to you. It takes special kids to be a TJD. 

Same thing. Honesty

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[woodenshoemanHoosierfan 6,182]

I agree we have holes to fill. We missed out on Ledlum and Knecht. But that doesn't mean I think we are screwed for next year 2 and a half weeks after the previous season ended. We have no idea who the staff is going after to fill those holes. If they aren't going after anyone else and the roster hasn't changed in a month or so, I'll start feeling angst about the upcoming season.
Also, just because someone they are talking to or sign and they aren't who I think they should go after, I'm not going to jump off the cliff. They could turn out to be the ones to fill those holes, just like Ludlum and knight could fall flat next year. We don't know.
It is way to early to start stressing about next year

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[DChoosier 7,859]

2 hours ago, IUFAN1976 said:

You are right, we need to figure out why we are losing recruits to a football school.  I think they may have more NIL money to offer based because of their extra boosters and money generated from their football programs!  I could be wrong, but something is causing us to lose recruits to these schools and it isn’t Woodson 

Speculation but I’m guessing that the SEC schools negatively recruit against the Big 10 style of play and lack of success in the tourney.  I could see why an athletic wing, as an example, wouldn’t want to play in a rugby conference.

Although not related to the portal the Big Ten is  also having issues landing 5* high school kids. In 2022 247 listed 27 five stars. The SEC landed 10 of the kids (5 different schools),  Duke 4 and UK 2.  JHS was the only BT 5* recruit.

In 2023 they also listed 27 five stars. Only one of them, Booker to MSU, committed to the BT. The SEC landed 6 (not as balanced as 2022 as 4 went to UK and 2 to Arkansas),  Duke landed 5 of them and Louisville inexplicably landed two of them.  

I think we have a bit of a conference/style of play issue.

[Silat Player 281]

10 minutes ago, woodenshoemanHoosierfan said:

I agree we have holes to fill. We missed out on Ledlum and Knecht. But that doesn't mean I think we are screwed for next year 2 and a half weeks after the previous season ended. We have no idea who the staff is going after to fill those holes. If they aren't going after anyone else and the roster hasn't changed in a month or so, I'll start feeling angst about the upcoming season.
Also, just because someone they are talking to or sign and they aren't who I think they should go after, I'm not going to jump off the cliff. They could turn out to be the ones to fill those holes, just like Ludlum and knight could fall flat next year. We don't know.
It is way to early to start stressing about next year

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Honestly, I think there would be less angst among the fanbase if the HS recruiting looked a little more solid. Bates looked good on paper, but obviously was overrated. Reneau and JHS were obviously good recruits. 

The problem is that the 2023 was underwhelming (at least on paper). It included two guys who were (at best) rated in the 80s or 90s. It also didn't include any big guys even though we knew that we'd be losing Davis, Race and Kopp - our entire starting front line. 

Add a 2024 class that doesn't have any commits in it yet, and you've got some fans who aren't feeling great about the status of the program right now. I think Woody needs to make a pretty big splash in the 2024 class to get things moving again.