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[Stuhoo 86,643]

13 minutes ago, btownqb said:

Because some they rank some on their potential, some they rank on what they've actually done in college, others.. I have no clue how they could come up with that ranking. 

It's one of the more useless exercises we tie ourselves to. It is an imperfect science, admittedly, but mercy. I've multiple sites have Tamar Bates ranked ahead Sparks. That's wild, for instance. 

Bates is ahead of the Gilbert kid from UNLV. These sites won't admit how bad they screwed up the first time when doing these rankings. Ware at #2.. no. Just no. 

So true.

Ware might not start at IU. Ledlum would start and lead the team.

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2 minutes ago, Woodson1980 said:

Babysitting a brisket for today until after midnight all the while checking this sight.

When it came out of the stall and hit temp at 4:30AM I took it off the smoker and checked this sight again.Just got back up and immediately checked in again 

I have grandkids coming in one hour.

WTF is wrong with me?

Nothing. I'm getting ready to smoke some meatballs for spaghetti tonight for the family. What you're doing seems like a very normal Saturday for me lol 

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3 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

So true.

Ware might not start at IU. Ledlum would start and lead the team.

I don't mean to keep harping on Tamar, because I do hope succeeds... but he's ranked ahead of Primo Spears, who avged 15p 5a 3r in a Power 6 conference last year?!?! 

Nooooope. 

[Henryville Hoosier 1,205]

3 minutes ago, btownqb said:

Nothing. I'm getting ready to smoke some meatballs for spaghetti tonight for the family. What you're doing seems like a very normal Saturday for me lol 

Smoked meatloaf for me.

[Rico 3,453]

2 minutes ago, Henryville Hoosier said:

Smoked meatloaf for me.

[WayneFleekHoosier 50,312]

I don't mean to keep harping on Tamar, because I do hope succeeds... but he's ranked ahead of Primo Spears, who avged 15p 5a 3r in a Power 6 conference last year?!?! 
Nooooope. 

Sometimes you are just who you are. But team fit, usage, style of play are all factors in figuring out what you can become plus the dreaded eye test. IMO, it’s obvious Bates can hit shots, just not at IU. Will that follow him forever? Maybe. But he played at a level in HS and AAU to be considered a borderline 5 star. The reality is he’s probably somewhere between where he was ranked and what Indiana fans think of him. The same way the NBA tries to draft on potential, these transfer rankings factor in that as well.

Take Kel Ware for example. Stats arent good. But you watch the film and see what he could become. It’s always a bit of a gamble but it’s the whole Ceiling vs Floor debate and the Moneyball debate. Do you take the proven guy with a limited ceiling or the potential that’s unproven. I believe some of these rankings try to factor those aspects into it. But yes, you are right, they are kind of a crapshoot with some semblance of common sense merit.

Lol. Long story, long.


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[RaceToTheTop 29,445]

12 minutes ago, btownqb said:

I don't mean to keep harping on Tamar, because I do hope succeeds... but he's ranked ahead of Primo Spears, who avged 15p 5a 3r in a Power 6 conference last year?!?! 

Nooooope. 

As much as Bates struggled shooting the ball, he shot 37% from three.  Spears shot 30%.  Spears was also near the national leaders in turnovers.  

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Smoked meatloaf for me.

Smoking a ham for me

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11 minutes ago, RaceToTheTop said:

As much as Bates struggled shooting the ball, he shot 37% from three.  Spears shot 30%.  Spears was also near the national leaders in turnovers.  

Do you think Tamar could avg anywhere CLOSE to 15p 5a 3r in a power 6 conf? 

I'd be willing to bet Tamars quality of shot, on average, dwarfed Primos. 

[Uspshoosier 52,119]

16 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Sometimes you are just who you are. But team fit, usage, style of play are all factors in figuring out what you can become plus the dreaded eye test. IMO, it’s obvious Bates can hit shots, just not at IU. Will that follow him forever? Maybe. But he played at a level in HS and AAU to be considered a borderline 5 star. The reality is he’s probably somewhere between where he was ranked and what Indiana fans think of him. The same way the NBA tries to draft on potential, these transfer rankings factor in that as well.

Take Kel Ware for example. Stats arent good. But you watch the film and see what he could become. It’s always a bit of a gamble but it’s the whole Ceiling vs Floor debate and the Moneyball debate. Do you take the proven guy with a limited ceiling or the potential that’s unproven. I believe some of these rankings try to factor those aspects into it. But yes, you are right, they are kind of a crapshoot with some semblance of common sense merit.

Lol. Long story, long.


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Late bloomer in the rankings.  His rank history rised significantly near the end

https://247sports.com/PlayerSport/Tamar-Bates-at-IMG-Academy-261640/RecruitRankHistory/?history=composite

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18 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Sometimes you are just who you are. But team fit, usage, style of play are all factors in figuring out what you can become plus the dreaded eye test. IMO, it’s obvious Bates can hit shots, just not at IU. Will that follow him forever? Maybe. But he played at a level in HS and AAU to be considered a borderline 5 star. The reality is he’s probably somewhere between where he was ranked and what Indiana fans think of him. The same way the NBA tries to draft on potential, these transfer rankings factor in that as well.

Take Kel Ware for example. Stats arent good. But you watch the film and see what he could become. It’s always a bit of a gamble but it’s the whole Ceiling vs Floor debate and the Moneyball debate. Do you take the proven guy with a limited ceiling or the potential that’s unproven. I believe some of these rankings try to factor those aspects into it. But yes, you are right, they are kind of a crapshoot with some semblance of common sense merit.

Lol. Long story, long.


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On a "good team", I think Bates is 6th man/7th man.. spot up shooter type role... as his ceiling. 

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1 minute ago, Uspshoosier said:

Late bloomer in the rankings.  His rank history rised significantly near the end

https://247sports.com/PlayerSport/Tamar-Bates-at-IMG-Academy-261640/RecruitRankHistory/?history=composite

100-115 seems like a much better grouping for him. 

[Josh 13,071]

49 minutes ago, Dave from Dayton said:

Prove it. All these rumors.

Send me some pictures of the hot chicks.

I clicked on them but it turns out they want money to view their pictures!  Weird.

[Josh 13,071]

34 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

So true.

Ware might not start at IU. Ledlum would start and lead the team.

This is hard for me to believe.  Not because I think Ware is incredible as a player, but because there are certainly coaches out there that would promise him a starting spot.  

If Woody convinced him to commit while telling him he's a backup then Woody is the closer of closers.

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38 minutes ago, btownqb said:

Nothing. I'm getting ready to smoke some meatballs for spaghetti tonight for the family. What you're doing seems like a very normal Saturday for me lol 

Not to get scolded for being off topic I have a leg of lamb in now.

That's it mods.

[Hardwood83 4,907]

2 minutes ago, Josh said:

I clicked on them but it turns out they want money to view their pictures!  Weird.

I'm sure they are struggling their way through law school. You should help them out! 

Will be interesting to see if Deloach still visits if Ware commits. I love me some big guys (that's what she said) but apparently so does Woody. Even  more interesting is all of them have at least 2yrs of eligibility. Would that impact Bidunga?

 

[Stuhoo 86,643]

8 minutes ago, Josh said:

This is hard for me to believe.  Not because I think Ware is incredible as a player, but because there are certainly coaches out there that would promise him a starting spot.  

If Woody convinced him to commit while telling him he's a backup then Woody is the closer of closers.

I am sure that no starting slot promises have been made to anyone. The only guaranteed starter for next year is a healthy Xavier Johnson.

Woody: “Again, son, I can see you having a major, major role in our total team effort. Because you are special. But you have to earn it. And you’re gonna have to take a ton of sh!t from Coach Woodson.”

Or: “Son; what do you think your potential is as a Hoosier? Starting and scoring big? Well alright then, but again, you’re gonna have to earn it.”

[Dave from Dayton 3,935]

11 minutes ago, Josh said:

This is hard for me to believe.  Not because I think Ware is incredible as a player, but because there are certainly coaches out there that would promise him a starting spot.  

If Woody convinced him to commit while telling him he's a backup then Woody is the closer of closers.

We all can envision the discussion.  Woody: You've got the tools.  We've got the strength and conditioning coach.  Look at what TJD did in his growth.  He was kind of quiet.  At the end he was flaming and leading.  Ware:  I don't know.  Maybe...   Woody:  It's up to you Kel'el...do you want it enough?  I can help you but you have to do it yourself.  You have to work at it.  Ware:  What about girls?  Woody:  Well, Josh says they are hot.  And IU will get you an NIL so you can share those pictures with Josh and get some tats and a head band.  Ware:  I'm all in!

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37 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Sometimes you are just who you are. But team fit, usage, style of play are all factors in figuring out what you can become plus the dreaded eye test. IMO, it’s obvious Bates can hit shots, just not at IU. Will that follow him forever? Maybe. But he played at a level in HS and AAU to be considered a borderline 5 star. The reality is he’s probably somewhere between where he was ranked and what Indiana fans think of him. The same way the NBA tries to draft on potential, these transfer rankings factor in that as well.

Take Kel Ware for example. Stats arent good. But you watch the film and see what he could become. It’s always a bit of a gamble but it’s the whole Ceiling vs Floor debate and the Moneyball debate. Do you take the proven guy with a limited ceiling or the potential that’s unproven. I believe some of these rankings try to factor those aspects into it. But yes, you are right, they are kind of a crapshoot with some semblance of common sense merit.

Lol. Long story, long.


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I always thought Tamar's shot was flat.When he missed it nearly always hit the back of the rim.With the shooters on this staff you would have thought they could have worked some air under it but it never happened.Hate it didn't work out for him.Wares shot already looks better.

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12 hours ago, go iu bb said:

EMU is literally Bates' home town university. Kennesaw State is in Georgia and Ware is from Arkansas.

Georgia is closer to Arkansas than Indiana is, I know, only 2 or 3 hours but that is an extra 4-6 hours his parents don’t have to drive to watch him play