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[Hoosierfan2017 21,551]

13 minutes ago, Dillion said:

I mean the average of those number would be 36.25% for his career correct? And I’m not sure how many he attempted per game matters it’s still the same percentage whether he took 20 or 3 shots per game. Dennis is 2% points behind him for his career. Which might amount to what maybe 1-3 extra made 3 a year?


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Davis made 3.9 threes per game last year. IU made 5.9 threes per game last year. If you don’t understand the significance of volume then idk what to tell you… Shooting 38% on 10 attempts per game is much harder than shooting 38% on 4 attempts per game. Good shooters are able to maintain good percentages when they increase their volume. 

I don’t even know why this became a comparison between the two. Dennis has good qualities. Shooting isn’t one of them. Antonio Davis is a good shooter and the numbers reflect that. His freshman year he broke Steph Curry’s record for 3s in a season by a freshman. If Dennis had Davis’s shooting ability he’d probably be heading to the league. 

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Davis made 3.9 threes per game last year. IU made 5.9 threes per game last year. If you don’t understand the significance of volume then idk what to tell you… Shooting 38% on 10 attempts per game is much harder than shooting 38% on 4 attempts per game. Good shooters are able to maintain good percentages when they increase their volume. 
I don’t even know why this became a comparison between the two. Dennis has good qualities. Shooting isn’t one of them. Antonio Davis is a good shooter and the numbers reflect that. His freshman year he broke Steph Curry’s record for 3s in a season by a freshman. If Dennis had Davis’s shooting ability he’d probably be heading to the league. 

The more you shoot the more chance you have to make more of them right? So yeah volume does matter. I haven’t looked at numbers but I’d say IU as a team averaged somewhere close to 10 attempts per game as a team. I’m just saying his percentage isn’t great for a dude labeled as a shooter. It’s basically the same percentage for his career as Dennis yet he is labeled a non shooter. Doesn’t make much sense to me.


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Are Dennis and McNeil the only 2 transfers IU is active with at the moment? 

[Hoosierfan2017 21,551]

26 minutes ago, Dillion said:

The more you shoot the more chance you have to make more of them right? So yeah volume does matter. I haven’t looked at numbers but I’d say IU as a team averaged somewhere close to 10 attempts per game as a team. I’m just saying his percentage isn’t great for a dude labeled as a shooter. It’s basically the same percentage for his career as Dennis yet he is labeled a non shooter. Doesn’t make much sense to me.


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It doesn’t make sense to you because you aren’t trying to understand it. Dennis is a career 34.4% shooter from 3. He’s shot under that 3 of his 4 seasons in college. The last time he shot higher than 33.6% from 3 in a season Juwan Morgan was on our team. His 3 pt shot has gotten worse every year he’s been in college, to the point that he shot 29.7% from 3 last season. If you don’t know why people see a guy shooting 29.7% from 3 on 4.4 attempts differently than they do a guy shooting 37.9% from 3 on 10.3 attempts, I don’t know what to tell you. 

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It doesn’t make sense to you because you aren’t trying to understand it. Dennis is a career 34.4% shooter from 3. He’s shot under that 3 of his 4 seasons in college. The last time he shot higher than 33.6% from 3 in a season Juwan Morgan was on our team. His 3 pt shot has gotten worse every year he’s been in college, to the point that he shot 29.7% from 3 last season. If you don’t know why people see a guy shooting 29.7% from 3 on 4.4 attempts differently than they do a guy shooting 37.9% from 3 on 10.3 attempts, I don’t know what to tell you. 

And Davis career is 36.4%. Not a whole lot better. Miller Kopp is a career 36% shooter and most think he cannot shoot. So again how is it Davis is a labeled a shooter and those 2 aren’t?


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1 hour ago, JSHoosier said:

Did I say it was or that I wanted him?  No.  For his career he's essentially Miller Kopp.  Just pointing out he's a better shooter than Dexter Dennis, which isn't a high standard.

Your 20+ posts saying the exact same thing have made that abundantly clear. 

[Hoosierfan2017 21,551]

6 minutes ago, Dillion said:

And Davis career is 36.4%. Not a whole lot better. Miller Kopp is a career 36% shooter and most think he cannot shoot. So again how is it Davis is a labeled a shooter and those 2 aren’t?


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Ugh. Ive already explained this to you multiple times. If you can’t figure out why the guy who shoots better on more than twice the volume from both the free throw line and from 3 is labeled a shooter and the other guy isn’t then I can’t help you. I’m not going to keep clogging up  the thread. 

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1 hour ago, Dillion said:

The more you shoot the more chance you have to make more of them right? So yeah volume does matter. I haven’t looked at numbers but I’d say IU as a team averaged somewhere close to 10 attempts per game as a team. I’m just saying his percentage isn’t great for a dude labeled as a shooter. It’s basically the same percentage for his career as Dennis yet he is labeled a non shooter. Doesn’t make much sense to me.


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Every player will find himself wide open from time to time. Players that shoot or create when they are not wide open and make them at a high volume are more valuable.

It’s about ability, confidence, repetition etc. Someone has to score for a team to win and if you wait for a player to be wide open, you just aren’t going to put up points. You need players to create their own shot and be able to knock down shots with a hand in their face. 
 

it’s like arguing Craig Hodges was every bit as valuable as Steph Curry

 

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2 minutes ago, MikeRoberts said:

Every player will find himself wide open from time to time. Players that shoot or create when they are not wide open and make them at a high volume are more valuable.

It’s about ability, confidence, repetition etc. Someone has to score for a team to win and if you wait for a player to be wide open, you just aren’t going to put up points. You need players to create their own shot and be able to knock down shots with a hand in their face. 
 

it’s like arguing Craig Hodges was every bit as valuable as Steph Curry

 

I’m confused. In your example is Antoine Davis the Steph Curry?   Hehehehee

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5 hours ago, AKHoosier said:

I'd rather get funky and go with XJ, JHS, Bates, Geronimo at the 4, and TJD at the 5. First off the bench are Race and Galloway. 

Race isn’t coming back to be a bench player. If anything they sold him on being TJD’s replacement. If they both come back Geronimo is in all  likelihood competing for a starting spot at the 3

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The problem I see with Davis is that if he is a quantity shooter, that takes away from other offensive opportunities.  I would rather have the lock down "D" player that is only a few pct points behind the volume shooter!  To me, Davis is a Bracey Wright type of player.  Been there done that, NO THANKS!  I really feel that CMW is going towards a super athletic team, which I'm fine with, that is where basketball is going.  The pct at the rim is the one thing that bothers me about Dennis, but I don't watch them play so I wouldn't know exactly what all the scenarios are for that stat.  

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15 hours ago, VO5 said:

Or you could look at it the other way, our inability to hit the ocean while standing on a boat could have won any of those games. Defense was never the issue last year. We have enough on defense to be really solid. We need shot makers in the worst way possible and the solution to that is Dexter Dennis? No thanks. I want Bates to get all of those minutes because he has the potential to be way better on offense.

With our putrid offense we had big leads in many games, but 1 player, by and large, we couldn't stop and that fueled the comeback.

Suppose we add a 40% shooter but he's a JBJ defense clone? We won't be better off.

[Hoosierfan2017 21,551]

10 minutes ago, HoosierHoops1 said:

With our putrid offense we had big leads in many games, but 1 player, by and large, we couldn't stop and that fueled the comeback.

Suppose we add a 40% shooter but he's a JBJ defense clone? We won't be better off.

Trae Young can’t stay in front of a parked car but he just sent the Cavs home for the season because they had no answer for his offense. When your offense is good enough it outweighs your liability as a defender. I’ll always be a firm believer that great individual offense is much more important than great individual defense in basketball. 

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4 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Trae Young can’t stay in front of a parked car but he just sent the Cavs home for the season because they had no answer for his offense. When your offense is good enough it outweighs your liability as a defender. I’ll always be a firm believer that great individual offense is much more important than great individual defense in basketball. 

Who is Indiana's Trae Young in this scenario and who is Cleveland's Dexter Dennis?

 

Hang on a sec, I'm gonna slide into the portal and get me a Trae Young to go, maybe 2. BRB.

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23 minutes ago, HoosierHoops1 said:

With our putrid offense we had big leads in many games, but 1 player, by and large, we couldn't stop and that fueled the comeback.

Suppose we add a 40% shooter but he's a JBJ defense clone? We won't be better off.

We would absolutely be better in adding JBJ. JBJ would have arguably been our best player

[Hoosierfan2017 21,551]

5 minutes ago, HoosierHoops1 said:

Who is Indiana's Trae Young in this scenario and who is Cleveland's Dexter Dennis?

 

Hang on a sec, I'm gonna slide into the portal and get me a Trae Young to go, maybe 2. BRB.

Hell idk, but if we’re going for one dimensional players I’d rather add a great shooter/bad defender than vice versa. Defense is much more reliant on all 5 players on the court than offense is. You can hide a bad defender. Our defense was great last year despite starting two negative defenders. A guy who can rain down threes would be much more helpful to this team. 

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6 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Hell idk, but if we’re going for one dimensional players I’d rather add a great shooter/bad defender than vice versa. Defense is much more reliant on all 5 players on the court than offense is. You can hide a bad defender. Our defense was great last year despite starting two negative defenders. A guy who can rain down threes would be much more helpful to this team. 

Had we had a JBJ last year I think we win 5 more games and are in contention for BigTen title. 

[Hoosierfan2017 21,551]

8 minutes ago, MikeRoberts said:

Had we had a JBJ last year I think we win 5 more games and are in contention for BigTen title. 

Looking at JBJ’s college stats rn.. Oh how I miss having that kind of shooting in the cream and crimson. It’s been so long. Our 2016 conference championship team shot 41.5% from 3. In the 5 seasons since we fired Crean, we’ve had a whopping 1 player in 1 season shoot over 41.5% from 3. Armaan Franklin in 2020. With 1300 kids in the portal (or whatever the number is now) surely there’s a flamethrower or two available. 

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Re: three point shooting

high volume shooters hitting 36% are pretty darn good.  A big part of Carson Edwards ability was that he had the ability to hit guarded threes…..the ability to get quick shots cuts down on turnovers.  There isn’t a comparison between Scott and Davis from three.

That said, Davis won’t put up the numbers in a power 5 that he put in the Horizon.

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13 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Looking at JBJ’s college stats rn.. Oh how I miss having that kind of shooting in the cream and crimson. It’s been so long. Our 2016 conference championship team shot 41.5% from 3. In the 5 seasons since we fired Crean, we’ve had a whopping 1 player in 1 season shoot over 41.5% from 3. Armaan Franklin in 2020. With 1300 kids in the portal (or whatever the number is now) surely there’s a flamethrower or two available. 

Well, the flamethrower Armaan Franklin was a cigarette lighter at Virginia last year.