Bracketology and Team Resumes

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5 hours ago, IUHoosierJoe said:

There’s more to it than that.  Check their NET ranking when it comes out Monday.

NET rankings aren't POM ratings -- which is what we were talking about.  

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2 hours ago, RaceToTheTop said:

NET rankings aren't POM ratings -- which is what we were talking about.  

Yeah.  I know.  But NET ratings are very close to Pom Ratings minus the pre season and prior season ratings.  NET Ratings also have a result based factor, but that is less than 10% of the total rating.  That’s why they are very similar after Ken Pom removes the pre season and prior seasons from his calculation.

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Hoosiers start their NET journey at 71.   Too bad exhibition games don’t count. IU would have had a road win over the Number 1 team.   Got some work to do 

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Good news is to start there are 11 B1G teams in the top 40 of the first NET.   Bad news the Indiana Hoosiers are not one of them.    Good news is if the rankings stay close to what they are then IU will have a lot of options for some Q1 and a lot of Q2 home game opportunities.   Plenty of opportunities ahead for this team moving forward but (there is always a but) for a team projected to finish 2nd and be top half of the B1G having to rely on home games in conference  to build a resume is a big red flag.     Losing your Q1 opportunities on a neutral court where they were not competitive would be a red flag.   IUs marquee home game in the non conference is a Q3 game and your only neutral court non conference win is a Q3 game that is borderline a low Q2 game.    Red  flags everywhere 

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25 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

Good news is to start there are 11 B1G teams in the top 40 of the first NET.   Bad news the Indiana Hoosiers are not one of them.    Good news is if the rankings stay close to what they are then IU will have a lot of options for some Q1 and a lot of Q2 home game opportunities.   Plenty of opportunities ahead for this team moving forward but (there is always a but) for a team projected to finish 2nd and be top half of the B1G having to rely on home games in conference  to build a resume is a big red flag.     Losing your Q1 opportunities on a neutral court where they were not competitive would be a red flag.   IUs marquee home game in the non conference is a Q3 game and your only neutral court non conference win is a Q3 game that is borderline a low Q2 game.    Red  flags everywhere 

It's almost like the non-con schedule was put together just to rack up wins without regard to how it would effect NET rankings... Oh, right, that's exactly what it was and B4A didn't go as anticipated.

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Remaining non-conference games:

Sam Houston (NET 159)

Miami (O) (NET 146)

Chattanooga (NET 202)

Winthrop (NET 193)

Right now, that would be two quad threes and two quad fours.

I don't know where our non-conference SOS will end up, but currently on Pom it is at 105.  Last year our non-conference was at 223 on Pom and the overall SOS was at 21.  Given that in all likelihood that our non-conference will be well above 223 this year, it could mean that IU's overall SOS is top ten given that right now the Big Ten is doing very well.  So at least that point is a plus.

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I saw Rhode Island is higher than us in NET. Archie’s revenge tour?

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7 minutes ago, str8baller said:

I saw Rhode Island is higher than us in NET. Archie’s revenge tour?

Kenpom SOS of 336 and 3-5 against the spread. Typical Archie schedule with his job on the line, just like his third season here. 

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On 12/2/2024 at 8:02 PM, RaceToTheTop said:

I don't know where our non-conference SOS will end up, but currently on Pom it is at 105. 

It’s even better on the team sheet right now.   NET Non con SOS is 83 for now.   That’s a big improvement over last years at the same point in time.    It’s why I was saying they had to play the Zags in the non con.    They will be top 10 NET all year.  Louisville at 30 is a pleasant surprise for the non con.  Would have really been a bonus if you win that game.    They should of plenty of Q1 and Q2 opportunities ahead of them 

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12 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

It’s even better on the team sheet right now.   NET Non con SOS is 83 for now.   That’s a big improvement over last years at the same point in time.    It’s why I was saying they had to play the Zags in the non con.    They will be top 10 NET all year.  Louisville at 30 is a pleasant surprise for the non con.  Would have really been a bonus if you win that game.    They should of plenty of Q1 and Q2 opportunities ahead of them 

The only game I've been really disappointed in (REALLY disappointed) was the Louisville game.  The Gonzaga loss.....16 point loss to a top ten team....happens.  But 28 point losses to Louisville's shouldn't.

FWIW, Providence currently up 10 points in the second half against BYU.

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Indiana currently at 43 on POM and 41 on Torvik.  Beginning of the season, IU was 38 on POM and 32 on Torvik.

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On 12/3/2024 at 10:03 PM, RaceToTheTop said:

The only game I've been really disappointed in (REALLY disappointed) was the Louisville game.  The Gonzaga loss.....16 point loss to a top ten team....happens.  But 28 point losses to Louisville's shouldn't.

FWIW, Providence currently up 10 points in the second half against BYU.

The 16 point loss to Gonzaga was just another 15 plus point blowout in Woody's tenure.  It's sad that our expectations are so low that we don't mind being completely handled by a top ten team.  We need to start winning, or at least be competitive, in games with high ranked teams if we want to build an NCAA Tournament resume.

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13 hours ago, JF87 said:

The 16 point loss to Gonzaga was just another 15 plus point blowout in Woody's tenure.  It's sad that our expectations are so low that we don't mind being completely handled by a top ten team.  We need to start winning, or at least be competitive, in games with high ranked teams if we want to build an NCAA Tournament resume.

On top  of that, you need to be able to compete against those teams in order to make any sort of run in the tournament if you make it. Instead, the 2 times Woodson has gotten there we've been blown out early. I expect that will happen again if we make it  this year although that's a big if.

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2 hours ago, go iu bb said:

On top  of that, you need to be able to compete against those teams in order to make any sort of run in the tournament if you make it. Instead, the 2 times Woodson has gotten there we've been blown out early. I expect that will happen again if we make it  this year although that's a big if.

I'm worried about making the tournament first and then about making a run.  If you can't do the first you sure as hell won't ever do the second.  I don't hold any confidence of the team making a run but I sure as hell don't want to get into March on the best Thursday and Friday of the year and not have a team to root for.

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3 minutes ago, RaceToTheTop said:

I'm worried about making the tournament first and then about making a run.  If you can't do the first you sure as hell won't ever do the second.  I don't hold any confidence of the team making a run but I sure as hell don't want to get into March on the best Thursday and Friday of the year and not have a team to root for.

For sure. It's just that squeaking into the tournament with a high likelihood of getting blown out in the first weekend and pretty much no  chance at making a run doesn't really excite me. 

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ESPN article on the future of multiple team events and how there likely going to be ones that look more like the Players Era Festival -- one where teams don't play in three consecutive days and there is money funneled into participating team's NIL collective.

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/42805108/mens-college-basketball-players-era-festival-change-nonconference-november-traditional-mtes

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2 minutes ago, go iu bb said:

For sure. It's just that squeaking into the tournament with a high likelihood of getting blown out in the first weekend and pretty much no  chance at making a run doesn't really excite me. 

It's not real exciting for me either.  But last season was the least fun of the last three years when we couldn't even do that.

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These number will change but looking over the schedule as of today in IUs last 17 games of the year, 15 of them are currently Q1 games.   IU will have plenty of opportunities to build a resume.  12 straight Q1 games at one point.   I’m sure this will change but that’s a crazy stretch 

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On 12/2/2024 at 10:35 AM, Uspshoosier said:

Hoosiers start their NET journey at 71.   Too bad exhibition games don’t count. IU would have had a road win over the Number 1 team.   Got some work to do 

IU's NET now at 57.  It says that the previous rank was at 60.

https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/basketball-men/d1/ncaa-mens-basketball-net-rankings

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15 minutes ago, RaceToTheTop said:

IU's NET now at 57.  It says that the previous rank was at 60.

https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/basketball-men/d1/ncaa-mens-basketball-net-rankings

I think 11th or 12th in B1G