(2020) PF/C - Dawson Garcia to Minnesota

[WayneFleekHoosier 47,874]

Thing that really bugs me is how badly Archie and staff really wanted this kid.
Archie's racking his brain trying to figure out why it's so hard to get elite recruits to Indiana.

Yet Arizona, UNC, LSU, Memphis rake them in.

I think he knows.


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[Loaded Chicken Sandwich 8,598]

It figures we wouldn’t get him. Which isn’t a good sign really for us. Sure we will have a really good team next season(if Smith, Al and TJD all return). He just would have really added some good depth at the 4/5 spot and gotten ready to either start alongside TJD or been a starter his sophomore year. It’s sucks. Leal will likely end up our highest ranked guy somewhere in the 90’s(going by 247 composite). The freshman next year won’t be looked on to contribute a ton but if no one else signs, Leal will have to be the one to step up the most with Green leaving. Galloway will be awhile away from contributing I think and Geronimo will be behind Smith and Hunter at the 3.


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[Hoosier1984 1,548]

We will be ok. How many teams can say they play all of their scholarship players the amount of minutes we do. Shows how deep we truly are.


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[MikeRoberts 6,914]

Tony Bennett just won a NC without elite recruits. We just need to stay the course. The 3 guys we just got are 3 guys that Bennett would love to have. I want to replicate programs like Virginia and Villanova and not UK, Memphis, Arizona, LSU, or anything of these other slimy @$$ schools.

 

 

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Come on now, this isn’t true, Virginia has thrived in that 25-100 range lately.

 

I’m a big Galloway fan and think he will be a 3 year starter but let’s be real, we need to have those 25-100 range guys and Garcia fits that mold well.

 

 

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[HoosierKnight 182]

Every bit of that is true or I wouldn’t have said it!


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Guy, Jerome and Diakite were top 40 recruits. 🤷‍♂️


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[MikeRoberts 6,914]

Are those “Elite” recruits? What is our definition of “Elite?” He sure doesn’t recruit like the programs I listed.


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Your in the Garcia thread and those guys are comparable to Garcia so I’m not sure what your point is then


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[Loaded Chicken Sandwich 8,598]

Tony Bennett just won a NC without elite recruits. We just need to stay the course. The 3 guys we just got are 3 guys that Bennett would love to have. I want to replicate programs like Virginia and Villanova and not UK, Memphis, Arizona, LSU, or anything of these other slimy @$$ schools.


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Except Virginia had very good players. Villanova had very good players.
Villanovas title team in 2016 had Ryan Archidiacono(57)and Daniel Ochefu(49) in 2012, Kris Jenkins(76) and Josh Hart(79) in 2013, Phil Booth(75) and Mikal Bridges(81) in 2014 and then Jalen Brunson(22) in 2015. All those guys played 20+ mph for them too and the top 7 of the rotation.
Villanova in 2018 had Brunson, Bridges and Booth. Plus Omari Spellman(20) in 2016.
Virginia had Mamadi Diakite(32) in 2015, Kyle Guy(37), Ty Jerome(44) and DeAndre Hinter(91) in 2016. And then Braxton Key as a transfer who was #59 as a prospect(someone IU fans should be familiar with as well). So the myth that these teams were doing it with only guys who were ranked super low and just did better can be put to rest because it just isn’t how it happens. Even UConn in 2014 where they came out of nowhere had Shabazz Napier(82) in 2010, Deandre Daniels(18) and Ryan Boatright(55) in 2011. That UConn team might be the biggest outlier.


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[MikeRoberts 6,914]

Except Virginia had very good players. Villanova had very good players.

Villanovas title team in 2016 had Ryan Archidiacono(57)and Daniel Ochefu(49) in 2012, Kris Jenkins(76) and Josh Hart(79) in 2013, Phil Booth(75) and Mikal Bridges(81) in 2014 and then Jalen Brunson(22) in 2015. All those guys played 20+ mph for them too and the top 7 of the rotation.

Villanova in 2018 had Brunson, Bridges and Booth. Plus Omari Spellman(20) in 2016.

Virginia had Mamadi Diakite(32) in 2015, Kyle Guy(37), Ty Jerome(44) and DeAndre Hinter(91) in 2016. And then Braxton Key as a transfer who was #59 as a prospect(someone IU fans should be familiar with as well). So the myth that these teams were doing it with only guys who were ranked super low and just did better can be put to rest because it just isn’t how it happens. Even UConn in 2014 where they came out of nowhere had Shabazz Napier(82) in 2010, Deandre Daniels(18) and Ryan Boatright(55) in 2011. That UConn team might be the biggest outlier.

 

 

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Yep, it’s guys like Garcia that stay 2-3 years that are the cornerstones for championship teams. Of course we aren’t going to fold if we don’t get him but man, having 3-4 guys on the roster at his level is a recipe for big success

 

 

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[Loaded Chicken Sandwich 8,598]

I don’t know how many teams that have won without at least TWO Top 50 players playing consistently but that UConn team might be one of the few. Garcia would have been a huge get and a possible starter. Eventually we have to land multiple Top 50 kids. If Virginia can and into that system, why can’t we?


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[MikeRoberts 6,914]

I don’t know how many teams that have won without at least TWO Top 50 players playing consistently but that UConn team might be one of the few. Garcia would have been a huge get and a possible starter. Eventually we have to land multiple Top 50 kids. If Virginia can and into that system, why can’t we?


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I’m not even sure why people are debating whether he would start or get a lot of minutes... he’s on a similar level as TJD and TJD is likely our best player. He would likely be our 2nd or 3rd best player


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[Alford Bailey 12,348]

1 hour ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

Except Virginia had very good players. Villanova had very good players.
Villanovas title team in 2016 had Ryan Archidiacono(57)and Daniel Ochefu(49) in 2012, Kris Jenkins(76) and Josh Hart(79) in 2013, Phil Booth(75) and Mikal Bridges(81) in 2014 and then Jalen Brunson(22) in 2015. All those guys played 20+ mph for them too and the top 7 of the rotation.
Villanova in 2018 had Brunson, Bridges and Booth. Plus Omari Spellman(20) in 2016.
Virginia had Mamadi Diakite(32) in 2015, Kyle Guy(37), Ty Jerome(44) and DeAndre Hinter(91) in 2016. And then Braxton Key as a transfer who was #59 as a prospect(someone IU fans should be familiar with as well). So the myth that these teams were doing it with only guys who were ranked super low and just did better can be put to rest because it just isn’t how it happens. Even UConn in 2014 where they came out of nowhere had Shabazz Napier(82) in 2010, Deandre Daniels(18) and Ryan Boatright(55) in 2011. That UConn team might be the biggest outlier.


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Yep. And its no coincidence when IU has been good in the last ten years weve had 5 star centers in Zeller and Bryant.

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich 8,598]

Yep. And its no coincidence when IU has been good in the last ten years weve had 5 star centers in Zeller and Bryant.

Or even going back to a season we would have be super good with DJ White. Jared Jeffries possibly would have been a 5 star as well.


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[JudahRMK 173]

Dang..i suddenly dont feel so good about this recruitment.

 

[Napleshoosier 10,131]

Let’s wait till we hear what HE has to say!


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[ray 1,560]

His comments could be read many ways...sure seems like wearing Minnesota on his jersey would be incredible for him...the only school he mentioned the way a team "WILL" use him is Marquette.  Either of these could be a clue, or perhaps it's just the way the words came out...or, as often happens, the journalist misquoted him.

Insiders may or may not know something.  On a recruitment that has bee tight-lipped, I wonder how far inside they managed to land.  Maybe he told them, but I doubt it. 

He mentioned it was a really tough decision.  Maybe it was tough to turn down the tradition at Indiana and let his friends down.  Maybe it was tough to turn down wearing Minnesota across his chest and representing his state.  Maybe it was tough to turn down all the handles he will have at Marquette.  Maybe the insiders know, or maybe Dawson and his family are the only ones who know.  I certainly don't know.

What I do know is I'm looking forward to this year and the pieces Archie already has in place...as well as those coming in next season.  I still hold out hope Dawson Garcia chooses Bloomington. Maybe he will, or maybe he won't...I'm not a pessimist, nor am I a complete optimist.  I believe any of the schools on his list of finalists could be the choice he's made.  None of us know with any certainty.  You know what they say about you assume something.

[Chris007 43,485]

10 hours ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

It figures we wouldn’t get him. Which isn’t a good sign really for us. Sure we will have a really good team next season(if Smith, Al and TJD all return). He just would have really added some good depth at the 4/5 spot and gotten ready to either start alongside TJD or been a starter his sophomore year. It’s sucks. Leal will likely end up our highest ranked guy somewhere in the 90’s(going by 247 composite). The freshman next year won’t be looked on to contribute a ton but if no one else signs, Leal will have to be the one to step up the most with Green leaving. Galloway will be awhile away from contributing I think and Geronimo will be behind Smith and Hunter at the 3.


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The way Galloway plays and how tough he is, he will be on the floor before Leal. IMO

[Chris007 43,485]

Well, let's move on to Lander. Going to be a fight with Louisville. 

He'll always be my 3rd favorite Garcia behind Jerry and Andy.

[Stuhoo 79,455]

 

If this ship has sailed (and it looks as if it has), I would love...love us to find a transfer that is NOT a play-immediately grad transfer for next year.

We will not need another big next year; we'll still likely have TJD, Race, Joey, Justin, and Jerome. If we could get a truly high-level transfer for the bench that learns the system and still has at least two years of eligibility thereafter, we would have a veteran big presence the year after next when we would otherwise be largely be relying on Race and freshmen.

 

[Chris007 43,485]

1 minute ago, Iugradman said:

After every Archie recruiting miss we are told that the program will be fine. Not buying that for a second. It is never good to miss out on a player of Garcia’s caliber. IU will never win a title if it doesn’t consistently land players of his ability.

Your right were not going to be fine. We will probably not get another recruit and eventually have to give up basketball forever. 

[Stuhoo 79,455]

Just now, Iugradman said:

1. After every Archie recruiting miss we are told that the program will be fine.

The program is NOT merely fine; it is doing extremely well.

 It is never good to miss out on a player of Garcia’s caliber.

True!

IU will never win a title if it doesn’t consistently land players of his ability.

Also true - that's why we're in an excellent place - we have been landing high-ability players every single year Archie has been at IU.