The Season Is Finally Over, Now Where Does This Program Go?

[Feathery]

1 minute ago, DChoosier said:

Most pre season predictions in their first year disagree. They had IU around 5th in the BT and OSU 8-9.  Matta’s last two teams went to the NIT and then no tourney at all. 

So I get to brag I was right that I did from day 1 OSU was in better shape? Stop listening to writers or to staffers who vote for the coaches. Look at the rosters and coaching staffs style of play. Then make your own conclusions. OSU continued with their Butler style of play. IU was transitioning to a polar opposite style. The results played out as such. 

[Feathery]

6 minutes ago, DChoosier said:

Most pre season predictions in their first year disagree. They had IU around 5th in the BT and OSU 8-9.  Matta’s last two teams went to the NIT and then no tourney at all. 

Marta’s teams went to the NIT not because they lacked talent, they lacked a healthy coach to lead them. 

[DChoosier]

1 minute ago, Feathery said:

So I get to brag I was right that I did from day 1 OSU was in better shape? Stop listening to writers or to staffers who vote for the coaches. Look at the rosters and coaching staffs style of play. Then make your own conclusions. OSU continued with their Butler style of play. IU was transitioning to a polar opposite style. The results played out as such. 

Yes you can brag.

Thanks for the suggestions. In a million years I never would have thought to look at the rosters or staff :) 

[Brass Cannon]

I don’t think OSU was in better shape. Just Holtmann has done a better job getting his team. He lost his best player after year 1 and still made the tourney. Archie kept his best player and added a top 5 guy and it translated to one more win before the NIT 

[Feathery]

5 minutes ago, DChoosier said:

Yes you can brag.

Thanks for the suggestions. In a million years I never would have thought to look at the rosters or staff :) 

Thanks  lol  

Then what argument are you making against Archie? He didn’t have an easier job than Holtmann. I just keep seeing people try to pile on archie when there isn’t need......yet. 

[Feathery]

3 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

I don’t think OSU was in better shape. Just Holtmann has done a better job getting his team. He lost his best player after year 1 and still made the tourney. Archie kept his best player and added a top 5 guy and it translated to one more win before the NIT 

I can see that argument. I do think Romeo was vastly overrated or he just played timid to protect himself from injury. Not sure which it is to be honest. 

Edit. There was rumblings that Romeo stayed at New Albany instead of going to a prep school to protect from getting exposed. Heard some theories about if he playing in Indy over NA, that he wouldn’t have come close to Damon or gotten all the hype. 

[Walking Boot of Doom]

Three things:
You are right, a one season ultimatum is meaningless. In this case, however, year three will be upon us soon.
Your patience is admirable.
Are you available to conduct my year-end job review? It would be awesome if you could review my progress/job instead of my boss.  :) 
 

It all depends what you’re asking someone to accomplish. We tasked Archie with a task that takes years. I don’t know how many. Some will accomplish this faster and some will accomplish it “on schedule”.


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[BGleas]

27 minutes ago, Feathery said:

So I get to brag I was right that I did from day 1 OSU was in better shape? Stop listening to writers or to staffers who vote for the coaches. Look at the rosters and coaching staffs style of play. Then make your own conclusions. OSU continued with their Butler style of play. IU was transitioning to a polar opposite style. The results played out as such. 

Yeah, OSU playing well and IU struggling doesn’t necessarily tell me that Holtman overachieved and Archie underachieved, it tells me the people doing the picking were wrong. 

In my opinion there is no question that Holtman took over a better situation. 

1) Despite two down years, OSU has been a much better program than IU the last 10+ years and had an established culture. 

2) Holtman and Matta coach to the same style

3) OSU was bad Matta’s last year largely because their best player missed the entire season 

4) Holtman inherited Bates-Diop, Tate, Kam Williams, CJ Jackson, Andre Wesson and had Kaleb Wesson gifted to him in his first class. That is a very, very solid core

[DChoosier]

38 minutes ago, Walking Boot of Doom said:

It all depends what you’re asking someone to accomplish. We tasked Archie with a task that takes years. I don’t know how many. Some will accomplish this faster and some will accomplish it “on schedule”.


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Two of the things I wanted was for them to play hard and make the tourney (not a long run) this year...especially when he  started with argueably 2 of the best 10-12 players in the Big Ten.  

I’m not saying fire him but am saying he did not meet expectations.  I could buy the injuries costing us the tourney but it’s still hard to ignore the lack of effort and think we should have won at least two of these 7 games (Rutgers/Minnesota/Iowa twice/Nebraska/Northwestern/OSU in BTT) which would have put us in the tourney.  If the team that beat MSU twice played with consistent effort they would have made the tourney. The “we just didn’t bring it”, “we came out flat” comments from players and coaches, after multiple games, was disheartening. 

Hopefully we have a positive, healthy season next year and at least one alpha dog/tough player helps drive these guys.

[MoyeNeeded]

1 hour ago, Feathery said:

I can see that argument. I do think Romeo was vastly overrated or he just played timid to protect himself from injury. Not sure which it is to be honest. 

Edit. There was rumblings that Romeo stayed at New Albany instead of going to a prep school to protect from getting exposed. Heard some theories about if he playing in Indy over NA, that he wouldn’t have come close to Damon or gotten all the hype. 

Whatever! Look at NA's schedule and opponents rankings over Romeo's time at New Albany. I will put them up against any of the schools schedules out of metro Indy.

[Joe DeLow]

Year 4 is the time to panic? Asking for a friend.


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Year 9.


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[Joe DeLow]

Archie has done better in his first 2 years here than Pearl did at Auburn, as he should. Took Pearl 4 years to get it going down there and he is a damn good coach. 

But it is Auburn. Not Indiana. AUBURN.


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[Feathery]

Just now, Joe DeLow said:

But it is Auburn. Not Indiana. AUBURN.


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Doesn’t matter. Pearl is a top coach, top coaches will produce no matter the school. Took him 4 years. Izzo at MSU  3 years. K at Duke 4 years. Calipari at Memphis (pre 1 and done recruiting strategy) took 3 years to make the NCAA’s. But I get it, life is so much better being negative and down about your hobbies. 

[Walking Boot of Doom]

But it is Auburn. Not Indiana. AUBURN.


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And right now Auburn has a better basketball team then Indiana. We’ll see what Archie’s put together in year 4 and 5.


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[Joe DeLow]

And right now Auburn has a better basketball team then Indiana. We’ll see what Archie’s put together in year 4 and 5.


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The point is that Indiana shouldn’t be having this problem. It should have never gotten to this point. But now we are stuck with mediocre coach #3 since Knight was fired.


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[Walking Boot of Doom]

The point is that Indiana shouldn’t be having this problem. It should have never gotten to this point. But now we are stuck with mediocre coach #3 since Knight was fired.


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That’s great. Unfortunately, here we are. Archie isn’t mediocre just because the program has bottomed up in the past two decades. It’s going to take a lot of work to build Indiana back up to where everyone expects.


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[Feathery]

14 minutes ago, Joe DeLow said:

The point is that Indiana shouldn’t be having this problem. It should have never gotten to this point. But now we are stuck with mediocre coach #3 since Knight was fired.


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Too early to say Archie is mediocre. That’s the entire point people are making when we point to hall of famers taking 3-4 years to get going. You are being overly critical after only 2 years. Hold back your venom for another season. Complain if we don’t go dancing next year. 

[Stuhoo]

25 minutes ago, Joe DeLow said:

The point is that Indiana shouldn’t be having this problem. It should have never gotten to this point. But now we are stuck with mediocre coach #3 since Knight was fired.


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4 minutes ago, RealIU said:

Agreed, on the mediocrity pertaining to coaching! Proof is in the pudding, see Ohio State last 3 mins at Assembly Hall! We missed on Holtmann!


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A match made in heaven; so glad that you two found each other.

Question; would you consider a three way with iugradman?  ;)

 

 

[HoosierAloha]

 
A match made in heaven; so glad that you two found each other.
Question; would you consider a three way with iugradman?  ;)
 
 

Ouch


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[woodenshoemanHoosierfan]

 
A match made in heaven; so glad that you two found each other.
Question; would you consider a three way with iugradman?  ;)
 
 

Might as well make it afoursome or more some with a few others

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