Indiana vs Nebraska 1/14/19 6:30pm FS1

[LamarCheeks 18,961]

2 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Fwiw, outside of the Duke and Marquette games, he's 3-19 on 3s in 15 games. He's definitely been a huge disappointment, but grad transfers are a mixed bag. They don't always turn out like Max or Zeisloft. Sometimes they're like Evan Gordon. 

I've been an Archie supporter, but I have no clue why he keeps getting minutes. He gives us nothing, and he won't be back next year. Even if the young post players also give us nothing there's an opportunity for them to learn and give us something in the years to come. 

Not only do I not understand Fitzner continuing to get minutes, I don't get the way he's used. He's 6-11 but has the game of a 5-11 guy. For him to go down low on offense is a waste. He has poor post moves and  simply is not strong enough to back his way in, and on the few times where he has backed his way to the hoop, he either gets his shot swatted away or misses. We need him to come in and knock down shots from the outside -- like he did against Marquette. Otherwise, there's really no reason for him to be on the floor. I was ecstatic after the Marquette game. I didn't expect him to go 6-7 from the floor (4-4 on 3s) every game, but I thought he would be a great outside spark off the bench. But we haven't seen anything like that since the Marquette game. Come to think of it, we haven't seen the entire team play anywhere close to the way it played in that game. 

[Bailey7878 2,506]

I think anderson is a huge liability but teams are just sagging off us cause we wont shoot the three. We have to have somebody knock some down or we are doomed.

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[ray 1,570]

I haven't read all the comments, nor will I likely get around to it.  With that said, those that believe Moore is of poor quality and less capable than certain "unnamed players", please consider the fact Moore was the only player with a positive (+/-) last night.  Yes, I know that doesn't tell all there is to tell, but it's at least a starting point for measuring a player's impact on a game. 

Yes, if Fitzner gets on a hot streak shooting again I'll be more in favor of him getting more minutes.  Until then, he's not proven anything to me outside of a couple hot shooting nights early in the season that he is any better than Moore.  Neither Fitzner nor Moore logged a lot of minutes last night, but with the time given to each Moore once again had more of an impact. 

I'm not saying Moore will become a great player with more time and experience, but I'm in agreement with some on this forum that maybe it's time he has a chance to show whether he can be or not.  Anyone interested purely on a statistical standpoint would agree.

Evan Fitzner                                                                                              Clifton Moore

Games - 17                                                                                                Games - 9

Player Efficiency Rating - 13.1                                                                Player Efficiency Rating - 23.9

True Shooting Percentage - .547                                                           True Shooting Percentage - .576

eFG% - .527                                                                                               eFG% - .700

ORB% - 3.9                                                                                                 ORB% - 16.0

DRB% - 17.4                                                                                               DRB% - 32.1

TRB% - 11.4                                                                                               TRB% - 24.9

AST% - 6.4                                                                                                 AST% - 14.6

STL% - 1.5                                                                                                 STL% - 3.5

BLK% - 1.4                                                                                                 BLK% - 4.4

 

 

 

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Comes a time when you got to spit on your hands and hoist the distress flag.....

Last night’s “performance” was inexcusable.

[Walking Boot of Doom 18,170]

25 minutes ago, Whoozhers said:

 

 

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Comes a time when you got to spit on your hands and hoist the distress flag.....

Last night’s “performance” was inexcusable.

We have a mutiny on our hands.

[HoosierX 1,567]

19 minutes ago, Walking Boot of Doom said:

We have a mutiny on our hands.

This loss has caused a lot of doom and gloom, which I somewhat get.  I certainly was very disappointed with last night's effort.

But there is a lot of basketball left to play.  We are going to win 2 out of our next 3 games and then hopefully people will back off the ledge.

[Bailey7878 2,506]

 
 
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Comes a time when you got to spit on your hands and hoist the distress flag.....
Last night’s “performance” was inexcusable.

We are at a very dangerous moment where the season could be lost in the next three games.

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[Old Friend 8,389]

2 hours ago, VO5 said:

Fitzner is not stronger at all. He consistently doesn’t box out his man and loses boards to guys smaller than him. Fitzner couldn’t back down and score on Glynn Watson last night, who he has about 9 inches on. He isn’t a good defender either. His help side defense is awful.

There is zero reason to play Fitzner over Moore at this point. Moore will have defensive lapses, but Fitzner gives up just as much with his lack of rebounding and bad helpside defense. 

Idc if Fitzner can hit 3s. He has to do it in games and outside of the Marquette and duke games, I don’t recall him hitting many at all. So he’s a complete liability on the court.

Look at their bodies.  Fitzner is far stronger physically than Moore is.  Come on...  Your other points can stand on their own, but none have to do with physical stature.  

I'm not telling you I think Fitzner is any good.  He clearly hasn't shown he is.  But...unless you think Archie is a moron, there's a reason Moore's not playing yet.  

[colonel06 1,917]

Dakich really slamming IU b-ball the entire show Tuesday like I’ve never heard before.
Thing is he is right!


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[AZ Hoosier 7,221]

3 minutes ago, colonel06 said:

Dakich really slamming IU b-ball the entire show Tuesday like I’ve never heard before.
Thing is he is right!


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Well, his boy Steve is available. 

 

[Bailey7878 2,506]

Dakich really slamming IU b-ball the entire show Tuesday like I’ve never heard before.
Thing is he is right!


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Havent listened to him in a long time but he would be right. That performance was beyond embarrassing.

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[LamarCheeks 18,961]

53 minutes ago, AZ Hoosier said:

Well, his boy Steve is available. 

 

Who knows -- he might make a nice addition to Archie's staff! LOL! 

[VO5 8,272]

2 hours ago, Old Friend said:

Look at their bodies.  Fitzner is far stronger physically than Moore is.  Come on...  Your other points can stand on their own, but none have to do with physical stature.  

I'm not telling you I think Fitzner is any good.  He clearly hasn't shown he is.  But...unless you think Archie is a moron, there's a reason Moore's not playing yet.  

I just disagree with the strength part. And really, it doesn’t even matter. Fitzner isn’t rebounding well at all. If he was built like Shaq and still rebounding this way, I’d be saying the same thing. He doesn’t show that he’s strong when defending the post either.

At this point, I believe Archie can’t play Fitzner moving forward. He came to possibly the worst league he could based on his skill set. 

I don’t think Archie is a moron at all. I just think his playing of Fitzner is a ***** in the armor, if you will. Practice is one thing, but games matter. Moore hasn’t been any worse than Fitzner has in the minutes he’s received.

[Bailey7878 2,506]

That puts us at 5-4 in Big Ten play. Why would that back anyone off the ledge? We’ve beaten Penn State, Illinois and Northwestern(the 3 bottom teams in the Big Ten right now) by a total of 12 points. We’ve lost to Michigan by 11, Maryland by 3 and Nebraska by 15. Safe to say, WE ARE NOT VERY GOOD.


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The problem is i could see us losing all three the way we are playing putting us at 3-6. Would that be ledge worthy? We will have to play awfully good to win at purdue and error free to beat Michigan.

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5 minutes ago, VO5 said:

I just disagree with the strength part. And really, it doesn’t even matter. Fitzner isn’t rebounding well at all. If he was built like Shaq and still rebounding this way, I’d be saying the same thing. He doesn’t show that he’s strong when defending the post either.

At this point, I believe Archie can’t play Fitzner moving forward. He came to possibly the worst league he could based on his skill set. 

I don’t think Archie is a moron at all. I just think his playing of Fitzner is a ***** in the armor, if you will. Practice is one thing, but games matter. Moore hasn’t been any worse than Fitzner has in the minutes he’s received.

I do hope some changes are coming.  Or that Fitzner becomes the player he was early.  

I still don't understand why anyone had expectations of him.   5 PPG @ St. Mary's his junior year with declining numbers each season don't exactly spell "answer."

[Bailey7878 2,506]

Four of the next five are on the road. One is at Michigan State which is a loss. Michigan at home is a toss up at best. We need to go 3-2 in this stretch imo. We are going to have to find a way to win at northwestern and Rutgers. We need those wins badly. I forgot at purdue which is likely loss as well.

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[Uspshoosier 45,751]

The problem is i could see us losing all three the way we are playing putting us at 3-6. Would that be ledge worthy? We will have to play awfully good to win at purdue and error free to beat Michigan.

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That’s personal opinion whether anyone thinks its ledge worthy. Personally for me no it’s not because this team was always going to make its move in February and March. A lot of winnable games later in the B1G schedule. While it wouldn’t be ideal to fall to 3-6 it’s nothing that a team cannot overcome especially with how the schedule looks at the end. Oklahoma St started Big 12 play 0-6 in 2016. They finished 9-9 and made the tourney


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[HoosierX 1,567]

1 hour ago, Joe DeLow said:

That puts us at 5-4 in Big Ten play. Why would that back anyone off the ledge? We’ve beaten Penn State, Illinois and Northwestern(the 3 bottom teams in the Big Ten right now) by a total of 12 points. We’ve lost to Michigan by 11, Maryland by 3 and Nebraska by 15. Safe to say, WE ARE NOT VERY GOOD.


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Look the Nebraska game was abysmal but it was the first Big Ten game we lost that we really should have won.

We certainly won't be favored in 2 out of the next 3, so accomplishing that should somewhat offset the Nebraska loss.  Plus it would very likely give us 2 more quad 1 wins.

We can all agree the Nebraska game was bad and raises a lot of questions, but let's play a few more games before getting out the pitchforks.

[cappymo14 2,276]

That’s personal opinion whether anyone thinks its ledge worthy. Personally for me no it’s not because this team was always going to make its move in February and March. A lot of winnable games later in the B1G schedule. While it wouldn’t be ideal to fall to 3-6 it’s nothing that a team cannot overcome especially with how the schedule looks at the end. Oklahoma St started Big 12 play 0-6 in 2016. They finished 9-9 and made the tourney


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I’m thinking more that the next 7 games ARE the season. Lose 4-5 of those and it’s over. Would have to be perfect the rest of the way and that’s not happening. Dump the next 3 and it’s 6 straight. 6 in a row doesn’t make it.


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[CandyStripers 197]

This loss has caused a lot of doom and gloom, which I somewhat get.  I certainly was very disappointed with last night's effort.
But there is a lot of basketball left to play.  We are going to win 2 out of our next 3 games and then hopefully people will back off the ledge.

Autocorrect I think you ment to say lose 2 out of our next 3

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