IUBB @ Michigan - 1/6/19 @ 4:30 ET

[DChoosier 8,479]

The odd thing about Fitzner is that he was 4-4 from the three against Marquette and 3-3 against Duke (ie he was perfect against 2 of our toughest opponents and against guys that you would think are athletic enough to close out on him quickly). Since Duke he has gone 2-10 from the three in 8 games and has gone from having a smooth stroke to rushing his shot to the point where he is almost just chucking it up.  I did not expect him to light the world on fire but that regression/inconsistency is a bit surprising for a 23 year old senior.  

It could be a difference maker in some upcoming games if he could get his stroke back.

[mdn82 25,510]

At least your Colts won. My Bears **** the bed.


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[Old Friend 8,389]

7 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

I remember people losing their minds when zeislost committed. People were concerned that a guy from Illinois St and the MVC conference that average around 5 or 7 points a game could help. He turned out to be a nice grad transfer surprise and exceed most people expectation. When dealing with grad transfers you just don’t know what you are really getting. Fitzner can shoot ball no denying that he just hasn’t fit in as well as some would like. Hoping he would turn out like Nick instead of Evan Gordon. You play the grad transfer game you win some and lose some. I remember missing out on Lee from temple and hearing that was a big miss and we would regret missing out on him and having to play against him while he was at Ohio St. He was a dud


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Lots of times you grab those guys to balance recruiting classes or put another senior in the locker room.  Not sure why Fitzner was recruited, but one good game against Marquette sealed his fate.  He's generally been taken away from behind the line since then save a few possessions against Duke

[DChoosier 8,479]

1 minute ago, mdn82 said:

At least your Colts won. My Bears **** the bed.


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It should only take Parkey 50-60 years to forget about that kick.

[Uspshoosier 45,871]

Franklin has been swishing it to be fair. Last I checked he was shooting 40 percent from 3. Haven't seen numbers for Newman

For sure. I said it was an interesting discussion to have. Personally I would take Franklin During the summer watching them both I would of taken Newman because of his elite shooting ability. However shooting can be worked on if people are willing to put the time in. Watching Franklin during the high school season he has definitely done that. Newman is still the better shooter however Franklin has closed the gap. Franklin in my opinion is better defensively and is a better passer and ball handler


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[Old Friend 8,389]

17 minutes ago, DChoosier said:

The odd thing about Fitzner is that he was 4-4 from the three against Marquette and 3-3 against Duke (ie he was perfect against 2 of our toughest opponents and against guys that you would think are athletic enough to close out on him quickly). Since Duke he has gone 2-10 from the three in 8 games and has gone from having a smooth stroke to rushing his shot to the point where he is almost just chucking it up.  I did not expect him to light the world on fire but that regression/inconsistency is a bit surprising for a 23 year old senior.  

It could be a difference maker in some upcoming games if he could get his stroke back.

It's more than his stroke.  He's 6'10" which means he lacks perimeter quickness, so he's an easier cover than a guard who can lift or drift with more precision than Fitzner can.  Fitzner needs just that extra beat to get his shot off, and he's inconsistent - as most are - when contested, so he's easier to take away from out there.   I liked his one interior bucket the other night against Illinois.   I'd like to see more of him in the paint if he can get that to drop.

[Bailey7878 2,506]

So what are doing to fix it next year?

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[Stuhoo 81,010]

 

Cleaned up this thread a little bit...if you guys are gonna question someones intelligence, at least do it in terms of their opinion on basketball!   

 

[Class of '66 Old Fart 84,811]

 

[Brass Cannon 24,821]

8 hours ago, Old Friend said:

You just said you agreed completely, so the better part of an hour has been your arguing for the sake of it.  You took the entire context of the original discussion, changed it to benefit your own point, then said you agreed with the original one.   Whatever...

Your last 4 paragraphs have zero meaning because they have zero to do with the original context which you've ignored for the sake of the argument.  How many of the players you name are catch and shoot guys?  Guys who can legitimately space the floor and cause other teams to game plan for their ability to shoot?   Regardless of how good your defense is (Michigan's is fantastic), you've got to score against teams that know you if you're going to succeed, and to do that, you generally need guys who can shoot it consistently from deep.  That's our missing piece now.  Which was the context of the original discussion.  And you said you agreed.  So why are you arguing?  For the sake of it?   Original question I asked you seems appropriate. 

It started when you said that Archie didn't recruit a player who is a great shooter to use shooter which is just silly.  If you mistook a discussion about Jerome as a discussion about the present ability of this team to shoot that would seem to be an oversight on your part. 

[Hoosierfan2017 21,501]

8 hours ago, Brass Cannon said:

You said Hunter wasn't a shooter. You also said that a PG can't be the answer for shooting.  Which is so wrong it's laughable in today's basketball 

Looks like Steph Curry isn't a shooter by his logic, lol. 

[Hovadipo 56,296]

Can we all agree that Zeisloft was the man?

I miss him dearly. 

[Uspshoosier 45,871]

Can we all agree that Zeisloft was the man?
I miss him dearly. 

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[Brass Cannon 24,821]

14 minutes ago, Hovadipo said:

Can we all agree that Zeisloft was the man?

I miss him dearly. 

Yep any chance he's got a little Bro. Or maybe in 8 years we can have a little Z shooting the lights out

[LamarCheeks 19,022]

19 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

 

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I clearly remember that Minnesota game. He saved us there. On this year's roster, we don't have that one guy who can just go out and knock down shots -- a Zeisloft or a Roth. Those guys weren't the greatest athletes -- but man, they could shoot. I wonder if Archie thought Fitzner could be that guy? He was -- for one game, anyway. 

[Brass Cannon 24,821]

1 minute ago, LamarCheeks said:

I clearly remember that Minnesota game. He saved us there. On this year's roster, we don't have that one guy who can just go out and knock down shots -- a Zeisloft or a Roth. Those guys weren't the greatest athletes -- but man, they could shoot. I wonder if Archie thought Fitzner could be that guy? He was -- for one game, anyway. 

It’s what he was a st Mary’s.  I Gotta wonder if his inability to get the defensive side of affecting his confidence and therefore his shot. 

[Uspshoosier 45,871]

Should have said "landing" rather than "recruiting," but he's got a bench full of long athletes.  He needs shooters to space the floor for them to be as effective as they can be.

He did land Anderson to fill the role of a shooter. Problem is looks like a freshman Anderson isn’t ready to fill that role. Anderson was one of the best shooters on the EYBL circuit percentage wise. Purdue wasn’t the only B1G school that wanted Anderson for his shooting ability. Beilein offered and wanted him. Beilein is one of the best today at filling the court with shooters to space the floor. Safe to say he wasn’t recruiting him for his defense. Lol Hopefully Anderson can fill that role in the future and put in the work and become a + defender. Rapheal Davis was a terrible defender in high school but like Anderson has the tools to be a good defender. By his senior year he was the B1G defensive player of the year


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[Uspshoosier 45,871]

Rewatching game at Half
IU had 5 TO and Michigan had 2 TO
Normally you can live with 5 at half the problem was Michigan scored 11 points off of those TO


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[Brass Cannon 24,821]

1 minute ago, Uspshoosier said:

Rewatching game at Half
IU had 5 TO and Michigan had 2 TO
Normally you can live with 5 at half the problem was Michigan scored 11 points off of those TO


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Yeah to be fair as frustrating as that first 7 minutes was that road effort beats probably Northwestern and Purdue maybe Maryland. Hope we can bring it again. The ball security was great. 

[Walking Boot of Doom 18,170]

DeRon has been slow all year anyway.
Over/Under on Green turnovers is  3.5
Over/Under on Green bad shots is 5.5
Over/Under on Green possessions given away is therefore  9.
Takers?

0 TOs, 4-9 from the field. Looks like he crushed the under. Played a solid game where he didn’t try to do too much.


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