IUBB @ Michigan - 1/6/19 @ 4:30 ET

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55 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

He didn’t recruit a great shooter to be a shooter?  Hmm if so maybe Archie ain’t the guy. 

And Rob being a PG has what to do with it?  Having Yogi as our primary shooter worked pretty well in 2016. 

Truth serum :  Did you post this with your brain or just to be critical of me again?

Because this is idiotic.  Sorry...it is.  You really believe a 6'7" 215 guy who had over 720 rebounds in high school is going to be used as (and was recruited to be) a shooter?  And how in the world do you know - seriously - that he is a "great" shooter?  Says who?  Did you exercise even an ounce of reason in this post?

Here is a line pulled directly from one of his recruiting pages :  "A powerful front court player who has the ability to score around the rim.  He can slash and on occasion step out to hit the 3 point shot."   What about that description, or ANYthing you know (your eyes work, right?) about Archie's offense tells you Hunter will be the shooter we're missing?   Come on, man.  I know you don't like me and I couldn't care less, but use your brain before you post trash like this.   Great shooter??   Wow.

Yogi was a "shooter?"  That's what you believe?    Is that why he shot 30% from the 3 point line as a freshman?  Yes...he became a shooter, but you seriously can't be dumb enough to believe that was his primary role, even as a senior.  His job for the first 3 years he was at Indiana was to run the offense, and yeah, he was a scorer (Morgan is a scorer....Romeo is a scorer.  They are not shooters.  There is a difference and you are now intertwining the two roles to make whatever point you're tying to make), but he MADE himself a shooter.  He could make the three pretty consistently by the time he was a senior; but he was not brought to Indiana to be a shooter.  At least not in the context of this discussion.   You can nit pick it all you want, and your condescending tone is once again completely devoid of reason.    

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10 minutes ago, Old Friend said:

Truth serum :  Did you post this with your brain or just to be critical of me again?

Because this is idiotic.  Sorry...it is.  You really believe a 6'7" 215 guy who had over 720 rebounds in high school is going to be used as (and was recruited to be) a shooter?  And how in the world do you know - seriously - that he is a "great" shooter?  Says who?  Did you exercise even an ounce of reason in this post?

Here is a line pulled directly from one of his recruiting pages :  "A powerful front court player who has the ability to score around the rim.  He can slash and on occasion step out to hit the 3 point shot."   What about that description, or ANYthing you know (your eyes work, right?) about Archie's offense tells you Hunter will be the shooter we're missing?   Come on, man.  I know you don't like me and I couldn't care less, but use your brain before you post trash like this.   Great shooter??   Wow.

Yogi was a "shooter?"  That's what you believe?    Is that why he shot 30% from the 3 point line as a freshman?  Yes...he became a shooter, but you seriously can't be dumb enough to believe that was his primary role, even as a senior.  His job for the first 3 years he was at Indiana was to run the offense, and yeah, he was a scorer (Morgan is a scorer....Romeo is a scorer.  They are not shooters.  There is a difference and you are now intertwining the two roles to make whatever point you're tying to make), but he MADE himself a shooter.  He could make the three pretty consistently by the time he was a senior; but he was not brought to Indiana to be a shooter.  At least not in the context of this discussion.   You can nit pick it all you want, and your condescending tone is once again completely devoid of reason.    

You have a tendency to say foolish things then get pissy when people call you out. Then respond in childish ways. Like listing freshmen year stats after somebody references a players senior year role. 

And despite 3 point shooting being a known strength this is a quote from Archie 

 He’s a much better three-point shooter than I ever imagined he would be coming in. -Archie Miller. 

 

I never said Yogi was brought to Indiana a shooter  seems the only things you can ever be right about are the things you make up and put in other peoples mouths  

 

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38 minutes ago, Dhop said:

I think all concerned thought they were getting another Nick Z this year in a grad.
Unfortunately that has not worked out so well.


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Are you referring to Fitzner?  Guy averaged 4 points a game at St. Mary's. I don't think expectations were that high.

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Just now, Old Friend said:

Are you referring to Fitzner?  Guy averaged 4 points a game at St. Mary's. I don't think expectations were that high.

It’s like you get paid to be wrong.  He averaged 6 points a game on 40+ percent behind the line

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And for the record Yogi averaged over 5 attempts a game and 40% or better 3 years. Sure seems like a shooter. 

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Just now, Brass Cannon said:

You have a tendency to say foolish things then get pissy when people call you out. Then respond in childish ways. Like listing freshmen year stats after somebody references a players senior year role. 

And despite 3 point shooting being a known strength this is a quote from Archie 

 He’s a much better three-point shooter than I ever imagined he would be coming in. -Archie Miller. 

 

I never said Yogi was brought to Indiana a shooter  seems the only things you can ever be right about are the things you make up and put in other peoples mouths  

 

Okay...help me.

We're talking about recruiting shooters, but referring to freshman stats is somehow the wrong direction?  Again...use your brain.  Context matters.

You dish it out, be prepared to take it.  I wasn't condescending to you or even talking to you.  Who started that?  You...or me?  But you BLAME me and then call me childish.  Got it.  Pot..meet kettle.  (And this isn't the first time.  History matters, too)

You just made my point with your Archie quote.  He surprised as a shooter which means he wasn't recruited as a shooter.  

Your comments about Yogi are laughable.  You can twist what you meant in every post from here on out if you want to.  You changed the conversation from shooter to scorer to fit your point  Do you need me to list for you the things I've been right about?   Again, I'll ask you....did you use your brain to post the above, or just use it as another opportunity to be critical of me?  I think we both know the answer, so I'll keep firing back at you as long as you'd like to continue the tete a tete.

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5 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

It’s like you get paid to be wrong.  He averaged 6 points a game on 40+ percent behind the line

Mea culpa.  5 points his 3rd year there.   You're wrong, too.

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7 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

And for the record Yogi averaged over 5 attempts a game and 40% or better 3 years. Sure seems like a shooter. 

Irrelevant to the context of the discussion, dude.  What point are you trying to make?  Seriously?   We were talking about recruiting shooters, and you're making some idiotic point about a point guard who became a better shooter because he wanted an NBA future.  Yogi's role in this offense would be the same as Phinsee's is.  He was not at all a guy to whom others would drive and kick.  He didn't come off screens.    He wasn't a catch and shoot guy.  What on Earth is your point?  We don't need a point guard who can shoot.  We need a guy the point guard can find!

If I get paid to be wrong, you get paid to veer off track and make irrelevant points for the sake of arguing.  

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2 minutes ago, Old Friend said:

Mea culpa.  5 points his 3rd year there.   You're wrong, too.

You didn't say third year he averaged 6 and some change his career there

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Are you referring to Fitzner?  Guy averaged 4 points a game at St. Mary's. I don't think expectations were that high.

Then why grab him at all? Surely wasn’t to bang it down low.

I almost went deaf pre season with the sharpshooter drumbeat coming out of everywhere. Maybe that would have panned out if all the rest of the pieces were in place.

Lookin forward to the next game. Long road ahead.

 

 

 

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Just now, Old Friend said:

Irrelevant to the context of the discussion, dude.  What point are you trying to make?  Seriously?   We were talking about recruiting shooters, and you're making some idiotic point about a point guard who became a better shooter because he wanted an NBA future.  Yogi's role in this offense would be the same as Phinsee's is.  He was not at all a guy to whom others would drive and kick.  He didn't come off screens.    He wasn't a catch and shoot guy.  What on Earth is your point?

If I get paid to be wrong, you get paid to veer off track and make irrelevant points for the sake of arguing.  

My point is we have shooters. Such as Phinisee.  And that he is a PG shouldn't matter. You tried to claim that was some sort of an issue. 

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Just now, Brass Cannon said:

You didn't say third year he averaged 6 and some change his career there

You win on a nit picky technicality.  Congratulations.  The larger point....that expectations of his being like Zeisloft....remains the same.  

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6 minutes ago, Old Friend said:

Okay...help me.

We're talking about recruiting shooters, but referring to freshman stats is somehow the wrong direction?  Again...use your brain.  Context matters.

You dish it out, be prepared to take it.  I wasn't condescending to you or even talking to you.  Who started that?  You...or me?  But you BLAME me and then call me childish.  Got it.  Pot..meet kettle.  (And this isn't the first time.  History matters, too)

You just made my point with your Archie quote.  He surprised as a shooter which means he wasn't recruited as a shooter.  

Your comments about Yogi are laughable.  You can twist what you meant in every post from here on out if you want to.  You changed the conversation from shooter to scorer to fit your point  Do you need me to list for you the things I've been right about?   Again, I'll ask you....did you use your brain to post the above, or just use it as another opportunity to be critical of me?  I think we both know the answer, so I'll keep firing back at you as long as you'd like to continue the tete a tete.

Lol I'd love you to list the things you have been right about. Pretty sure Rob being good is the list in its entirety. 

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1 minute ago, Old Friend said:

You win on a nit picky technicality.  Congratulations.  The larger point....that expectations of his being like Zeisloft....remains the same.  

Reality is now a technicality. Interesting world you live in

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Just now, Brass Cannon said:

My point is we have shooters. Such as Phinisee.  And that he is a PG shouldn't matter. You tried to claim that was some sort of an issue. 

Having people who can make the shot is not the same as having shooters.  I didn't claim anything of the sort.  I was pointing out context which you're still either not grasping or ignoring.   Have you paid attention when our offense stagnates?   What do you think we need?  Shooters who can space the floor would certainly help.  You think that's Phinisee?   Really?

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1 minute ago, Brass Cannon said:

Reality is now a technicality. Interesting world you live in

I was referring to his 3rd year there because that's what I looked up.   Another reality you're ignoring (if we're talking about expectations?) is his scoring numbers went down every year while there, so what number is truly important?  5 PPG as a junior or 6 as a freshman?  Use.  Your.  Brain.

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Just now, Old Friend said:

Having people who can make the shot is not the same as having shooters.  I didn't claim anything of the sort.  I was pointing out context which you're still either not grasping or ignoring.   Have you paid attention when our offense stagnates?   What do you think we need?  Shooters who can space the floor would certainly help.  You think that's Phinisee?   Really?

Not by himself no. But he's one piece of the puzzle.  

And for the record Nick Z averaged fewer points on a worse percentage than Evan Fitzner. So seems silly to act like it was crazy to think he could fill a Nick Z role. 

And Archie was surprised at how good Hunter was despite already being known as a 3 point shooter. Future 150 listed that as a strength. His high school coach reference it and the reporters covering the Ohio Mr basketball did as well. 

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4 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

Lol I'd love you to list the things you have been right about. Pretty sure Rob being good is the list in its entirety. 

If you believe that, there is no point.  Either do your own homework or leave it alone.  Seriously, dude.   Or we can start with Peyton Ramsey and work our way backward to Romeo's recruitment, Mike Davis, Tom Crean's offense and his ability as a recruiter, Jeremey Hollowell, and any number of things, but if you want to die on that Ramsey hill, I'm not stopping you.  

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Just now, Old Friend said:

I was referring to his 3rd year there because that's what I looked up.   Another reality you're ignoring (if we're talking about expectations?) is his scoring numbers went down every year while there, so what number is truly important?  5 PPG as a junior or 6 as a freshman?  Use.  Your.  Brain.

It's my fault you can't be intelligent enough to type what you are thinking. And of course his numbers went down the coach changed the offensive system after his freshman year. There's more to the game than a box score.  

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Just now, Old Friend said:

If you believe that, there is no point.  Either do your own homework or leave it alone.  Seriously, dude.   Or we can start with Peyton Ramsey and work our way backward to Romeo's recruitment, Mike Davis, Tom Crean's offense and his ability as a recruiter, Jeremey Hollowell, and any number of things, but if you want to die on that Ramsey hill, I'm not stopping you.  

Lol you trying to act like you are some sort of genius for seeing Crean can't coach?  Lol.