IU vs Uof6 Game Thread

[Alford Bailey 12,356]

 Good grind it out win. The free throws drive me insane and WILL cost us games if we dont improve. We dont have that much room for error.

[Southside 1,914]

2 hours ago, Magnanimous said:

Assuming Romeo leaves, I see no reason to believe next year’s team will be much better, even with Brooks. They’ll be very young again, and I’m pretty much writing off Hunter, Anderson, Forrester, and Thompson getting any real chance to develop on the court this year, especially as conference play picks up. 

I think year four is when both his system and players should be implemented to the point he can reasonably be expected to compete for a deep tourney run. 

Let me caveat my response by saying I don't expect us to be lights out next year. I do expect us to be deeper, healthier, and more consistent in Archie's system. And I expect us to get better as the year goes along. 

Way to early to predict next year with any certainty, but here's what my gut says...
Phin will become the leader of this team.
At 3-5, assuming we end up with both Jackson-Davis and Brooks, a JD, Brooks, Smith, Davis should be a pretty good 3-5 rotation as the year goes on.
SG/CG is the biggest hole IMO.  Durham and Green need to be steady, and hopefully Franklin comes ready to shoot. He's an interesting prospect and could create some nice matchups at his size. 

And I wouldn't write all the other guys off. I think there will be a few that step up during the year. 
 

[Napleshoosier 10,152]

We have issues to work on, no doubt. But none of us needs to get so frustrated we call players names. Hey, they want to win for f sakes! Come on! If you get that cranked up just turn off the damn game. Go Hoosiers!


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[Napleshoosier 10,152]

And the pUKe heads lost! We won! A pretty damn good Saturday if you ask me!


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[jk34 1,105]

4 hours ago, Bailey7878 said:

Rob has a poor basketball iq imo

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Not sure what you are watching!

[Southside 1,914]

30 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

You are the one that made a baseless claim that it’s not fair to judge till year 3. 

The fact you made a laundry list of excuses for why those coaches were successful in years 1 or 2 doesn’t prove a dang thing. 

Tons of coaches are able to step in and instill their system within a year. Crean has his system in place by year 2. It was a crap system but it was in place. 

Those were not excuses. it was simple fact and data around the circumstances of the coaches you listed. I can't help it if you didn't do your homework.

Since you don't like when people disagree, and give data points to disagree, i'll turn things around.... 

What should be a reasonable time frame to install a dramatically different system/style?

What should be a reasonable time frame to populate a roster with quality player depth that fits the new system?

You said success in year 2 was the exception, but said a coach should be able to be successful before 3 years? So which is it? Are you talking about summer ball in year 2.5?

I'm still waiting on examples of coaches like Archie coming in from a lower conference, who inherit low talent, a sub .500 conf team, completely change a system, and are lights out in year 2? Nobody?

Go ahead, keep dancing...

[Alford Bailey 12,356]

Chris Mack's rebuild looks way ahead of schedule.

[Whoozhers 3,652]

I’m surprised that ref didn’t call a foul on their last 3 to give them a 4 point play..... dodged a bullet there.....


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[Brass Cannon 24,271]

11 minutes ago, Irish YJ said:

Those were not excuses. it was simple fact and data around the circumstances of the coaches you listed. I can't help it if you didn't do your homework.

Since you don't like when people disagree, and give data points to disagree, i'll turn things around.... 

What should be a reasonable time frame to install a dramatically different system/style?

What should be a reasonable time frame to populate a roster with quality player depth that fits the new system?

You said success in year 2 was the exception, but said a coach should be able to be successful before 3 years? So which is it? Are you talking about summer ball in year 2.5?

I'm still waiting on examples of coaches like Archie coming in from a lower conference, who inherit low talent, a sub .500 conf team, completely change a system, and are lights out in year 2? Nobody?

Go ahead, keep dancing...

The the logical fallacy where you make up things I never said and then refute those. Which you have done a pretty crap job of anyway. 

Theres no reason this team should still look like it doesn’t have a system. We barely beat a team that we were supposed to beat at home. A game where supposedly we had the Best if not the two best. 

I gave you tons of examples coaches that saw success before year 3 and you just made excuses. It shouldn’t take 3 years to teach kids not to turn it over and to hit their FTs. 

Hell Pitino won the conference before his team was even eligible for the tourney. It shouldn’t take 3 years to install a system. To perfect it, sure but for it to be recognizable no that should be in place by year 2. 

[Hoosierfan2017 20,947]

6 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

The the logical fallacy where you make up things I never said and then refute those. Which you have done a pretty crap job of anyway. 

Theres no reason this team should still look like it doesn’t have a system. We barely beat a team that we were supposed to beat at home. A game where supposedly we had the Best if not the two best. 

I gave you tons of examples coaches that saw success before year 3 and you just made excuses. It shouldn’t take 3 years to teach kids not to turn it over and to hit their FTs. 

Hell Pitino won the conference before his team was even eligible for the tourney. It shouldn’t take 3 years to install a system. To perfect it, sure but for it to be recognizable no that should be in place by year 2. 

You keep saying that we "don't have a system" while completely ignoring that defense is half of the game. We're 19th in the nation in defensive efficiency. Everyone talked and talked about how Crean's teams never played defense. Well, now IU plays defense. Yet fans are complaining that we "don't have a system"?

[IUc2016 7,121]

17 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

The the logical fallacy where you make up things I never said and then refute those. Which you have done a pretty crap job of anyway. 

Theres no reason this team should still look like it doesn’t have a system. We barely beat a team that we were supposed to beat at home. A game where supposedly we had the Best if not the two best. 

I gave you tons of examples coaches that saw success before year 3 and you just made excuses. It shouldn’t take 3 years to teach kids not to turn it over and to hit their FTs. 

Hell Pitino won the conference before his team was even eligible for the tourney. It shouldn’t take 3 years to install a system. To perfect it, sure but for it to be recognizable no that should be in place by year 2. 

The team doesn't look like it has a system? You're just arguing to argue. You can't possible believe that. If you do, may be time for you to watch another sport. 

 

Plus you stated earlier you thought this team would win 8-9 non conference games. They are at 6 wins with 2 cupcakes left. And a very good chance to win next Saturday and get to nine. So.....................?

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[Brass Cannon 24,271]

3 minutes ago, IUc2016 said:

The team doesn't look like it has a system? You're just arguing to argue. You can't possible believe that. If you do, may be time for you to watch another sport. 

 

Plus you stated earlier you thought this team would win 8-9 non conference games. They are at 6 wins with 2 cupcakes left. And a very good chance to win next Saturday and get to nine. So.....................?

Just because we winning doesn’t mean we have a system. Whats our offensive system then if it’s so obvious

[Southside 1,914]

20 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

The the logical fallacy where you make up things I never said and then refute those. Which you have done a pretty crap job of anyway. 

Theres no reason this team should still look like it doesn’t have a system. We barely beat a team that we were supposed to beat at home. A game where supposedly we had the Best if not the two best. 

I gave you tons of examples coaches that saw success before year 3 and you just made excuses. It shouldn’t take 3 years to teach kids not to turn it over and to hit their FTs. 

Hell Pitino won the conference before his team was even eligible for the tourney. It shouldn’t take 3 years to install a system. To perfect it, sure but for it to be recognizable no that should be in place by year 2. 

what did i make up? i even re-quoted you after you conflicted your own post. 

you gave poor examples of coaches/situations not remotely close to Archie and IU. 

FTs aren't a system. nobody is saying we shouldn't shoot FTs better. BTW, RP had a few teams that were awful at FTs... 

Again with Pitino. Someone who's not remotely close to Miller/IU situation, and is also no longer in the game because he cheated.

Still waiting for you to answer simple direct Qs. But keep dancing... 

[Brass Cannon 24,271]

35 minutes ago, Alford Bailey said:

Chris Mack's rebuild looks way ahead of schedule.

We can’t count that for reasons....

[Brass Cannon 24,271]

6 minutes ago, Irish YJ said:

what did i make up? i even re-quoted you after you conflicted your own post. 

you gave poor examples of coaches/situations not remotely close to Archie and IU. 

FTs aren't a system. nobody is saying we shouldn't shoot FTs better. BTW, RP had a few teams that were awful at FTs... 

Again with Pitino. Someone who's not remotely close to Miller/IU situation, and is also no longer in the game because he cheated.

Still waiting for you to answer simple direct Qs. But keep dancing... 

Rick Pitino inherited a team that had the best players leave after getting a postseason ban. It’s only not comparable because Pitino had it a lot worse. 

Lol you are going to find any excuse to discount anybody that did have success faster than Archie. 

Sinply because your excuses are so funny here’s another. Mike White

And FTs are most assuredly part of a system Archie even says his system is to draw fouls and go to the line 

[Bailey7878 2,506]

Rick Pitino inherited a team that had the best players leave after getting a postseason ban. It’s only not comparable because Pitino had it a lot worse. 
Lol you are going to find any excuse to discount anybody that did have success faster than Archie. 
Sinply because your excuses are so funny here’s another. Mike White
And FTs are most assuredly part of a system Archie even says his system is to draw fouls and go to the line 

Pitino and crean inherited similair situations. One succedded quickly and one got a four year excuse pass. Man was crean a bad hire. Archie will be fine.

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[Bailey7878 2,506]

Chris Mack's rebuild looks way ahead of schedule.

Is it really a massive rebuild? Arent alot of those guys returners.

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[mdn82 25,510]

Just because we winning doesn’t mean we have a system. Whats our offensive system then if it’s so obvious

I don’t think we have a set offense like the motion. The closest concepts we run to a normal system would be iso. Some curls. I think everything starts with the pack line. Then transition from the pack line. If that doesn’t work offensively he starts using iso to work against a perceived weakness.

 

 

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14 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

Rick Pitino inherited a team that had the best players leave after getting a postseason ban. It’s only not comparable because Pitino had it a lot worse. 

Lol you are going to find any excuse to discount anybody that did have success faster than Archie. 

Sinply because your excuses are so funny here’s another. Mike White

And FTs are most assuredly part of a system Archie even says his system is to draw fouls and go to the line 

which Pitino team/situation are you talking about?

Archie is in the beginning of year two. Are you even going to give him this year to succeed?

BTW, Pitino actually had a slightly worse record his first year at KY. And how many wins has he vacated for cheating?

Mike White - the same Mike white that took over at FL after their coach went Pro. The same FL that went to the final four 2 years earlier lol... still waiting on a situation remotely close. 

FTs are a skill, not a system. The system get's the player to the line to shoot the FT.