IU vs UC Davis

[HoosierAloha]

They got the job done in the end but looked disinterested for the majority of the game. I was hoping to see crisp passes, a team valuing the ball, effort to stop straight line drives and open threes, and concentration at the line. We struggled at many of these for the majority of the game.

On to the next one, I hope to see us COMPETE at Cameron Indoor. I hope we win but I'm more interested to see if we've progressed in these areas.


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[WayneFleekHoosier]

Who are you addressing? Because I never mentioned  any missed shots. Actually, I was super duper exhaustive about EFFORT NOT PRODUCTION. But for the record, I don't care that IU missed some shots or made a bad pass. I care that they didn't seem to care about any of it. Did you watch the game or read what I posted. Are you sure? Go ahead and check what I wrote again, and I'll wait..... If you don't get the difference then I don't know what to tell you, other then you are absolutely right to be embarrassed, but it's about the wrong thing.  

I’m with you. The lack defensive effort was the biggest thing to me. I watched the game very closely. We didn’t compete on defense individually or as a team until about 10 minutes left. We were getting beat off the dribble by everyone.

Offensively, it was different. We had zero confidence. We were scared to take open shots (except Juwan) and didn’t finish around the rim with any tenacity.

I think the team is FULL of high “Character” guys but I wonder if we are full of “Effort” guys?

Last year I said I wanted some DOGS that compete in all facets. We don’t have that.

Juwan tries to play that way. Durham tries to play that way but he is so scrawny it really affects him. Rob sorta plays that way. That’s about it.

I want to see guys locking people down D. “Slapping the floor” type of defense. Attacking rebounds with conviction. Everything with more vigor.

Not seeing it for 3 straight games.

Offensively, we are gifted but we are confused/lacking confidence/lacking flow.


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[Walking Boot of Doom]

Not impressed by the game, but glad that our starters have the opportunity to spend a lot of game time together since we’re short handed. These experiences will pay dividends later.

I think Miller has some growing to do as a coach just as this team has growing to do. The good news is that both are fully capable and have demonstrated they’re strengths and potential. It’s going to be a fun year, even if every game isn’t a master piece.

The biggest pro from this game: Juwan Morgan put on an NPOY performance. Let’s hope to see more of this.


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[RaceToTheTop]

Just like we do in our everyday life, fan base's tend to read too much into their own narratives.  You can't simply write something off as being 100% 'lack of effort' or 100% 'lack of confidence'.  It's all shades and mixtures.

[JimBobJimmyBob]

Who are you addressing? Because I never mentioned  any missed shots. Actually, I was super duper exhaustive about EFFORT NOT PRODUCTION..

You’ve missed the plot entirely. If, for WHATEVER reason, you see fit to call the CHARACTER of the kids into account over a sub-par performance — and maybe even if they just weren’t hustling 100% of the time as much as you in your infinite wisdom thought they should be — then I’d invite you to go have intercourse with yourself and find another school more suited to your own character.

Personally, I have no doubt these kids work their butts off — day in, day out — harder than most of us can understand. And I say that as a guy who used to work 90-hour weeks regularly. If they start showing up in the police reports, or running over each other with cars, or wearing Purdue shirts, then I’ll consider whether there might be character concerns. But over a bad game or two? That’s asinine.

[MikeRoberts]

 

You’ve missed the plot entirely. If, for WHATEVER reason, you see fit to call the CHARACTER of the kids into account over a sub-par performance — and maybe even if they just weren’t hustling 100% of the time as much as you in your infinite wisdom thought they should be — then I’d invite you to go have intercourse with yourself and find another school more suited to your own character.

 

Personally, I have no doubt these kids work their butts off — day in, day out — harder than most of us can understand. And I say that as a guy who used to work 90-hour weeks regularly. If they start showing up in the police reports, or running over each other with cars, or wearing Purdue shirts, then I’ll consider whether there might be character concerns. But over a bad game or two? That’s asinine.

 

Inviting someone to have intercourse with himself and wearing Purdue shirts comment puts this post in the funny farm next to the beating up five thugs at the same time post

 

 

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[HoosierAloha]

I’m with you. The lack defensive effort was the biggest thing to me. I watched the game very closely. We didn’t compete on defense individually or as a team until about 10 minutes left. We were getting beat off the dribble by everyone.

Offensively, it was different. We had zero confidence. We were scared to take open shots (except Juwan) and didn’t finish around the rim with any tenacity.

I think the team is FULL of high “Character” guys but I wonder if we are full of “Effort” guys?

Last year I said I wanted some DOGS that compete in all facets. We don’t have that.

Juwan tries to play that way. Durham tries to play that way but he is so scrawny it really affects him. Rob sorta plays that way. That’s about it.

I want to see guys locking people down D. “Slapping the floor” type of defense. Attacking rebounds with conviction. Everything with more vigor.

Not seeing it for 3 straight games.

Offensively, we are gifted but we are confused/lacking confidence/lacking flow.


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I'm excited to see this slowly become Phinisee's team. This year it will always be Morgan's team but I can see Phinisee slowly grow as a leader. I see him being senior year Yogi as a sophomore in terms of leadership.

If we ever get a consistent third player to play at an all conference level we'll be difficult to beat. I'd really like to see Smith play A LOT better. He has too much physical talent not to play better.


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[MikeRoberts]

I'm excited to see this slowly become Phinisee's team. This year it will always be Morgan's team but I can see Phinisee slowly grow as a leader. I see him being senior year Yogi as a sophomore in terms of leadership.

If we ever get a consistent third player to play at an all conference level we'll be difficult to beat. I'd really like to see Smith play A LOT better. He has too much physical talent not to play better.


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Smith is hands down the most frustrating player to watch on this team. He’s no dog as some here would say


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[WayneFleekHoosier]

You’ve missed the plot entirely. If, for WHATEVER reason, you see fit to call the CHARACTER of the kids into account over a sub-par performance — and maybe even if they just weren’t hustling 100% of the time as much as you in your infinite wisdom thought they should be — then I’d invite you to go have intercourse with yourself and find another school more suited to your own character.

Personally, I have no doubt these kids work their butts off — day in, day out — harder than most of us can understand. And I say that as a guy who used to work 90-hour weeks regularly. If they start showing up in the police reports, or running over each other with cars, or wearing Purdue shirts, then I’ll consider whether there might be character concerns. But over a bad game or two? That’s asinine.

Please keep tone in mind. Really testing the limits of civil discourse. Thank you.


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[JimBobJimmyBob]

Please keep tone in mind. Really testing the limits of civil discourse. Thank you.

Understood, and apologies. I’m just incensed by calling the character of teenagers into question over a mediocre performance in a game. It’s reprehensible and unbecoming of IU fans, IMHO.

[RaceToTheTop]

After 6 games, KenPom has this team ranked 29th nationally in adjusted defense.

Too often people confuse results with effort and assume that lack of results = lack of effort.  It's not that simple.

And I keep reading that IU's defense wasn't there 'for thirty minutes'.  Truthfully, the results started well before the thirty minute mark....UC Davis had 48 points at the 15:50 mark...they then went over 4 minutes before they scored again and only scored 14 points over the last 15:50, a period in which IU outscored UC Davis 36-14.

[woodenshoemanHoosierfan]

anything less than a complete blowout against a team this bad is terrible. 

True, but some act like this only ever happens to IU. I've seen this before plenty of times with lots of other 25 teams before.





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[woodenshoemanHoosierfan]

Good god, our fan base makes me shake my head sometimes. [emoji849]

Me too

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[woodenshoemanHoosierfan]

Any fan base with expectations Better react like we are when the team isn’t competing, defending, and lacking seemingly all confidence at home against UC Davis.
 
What would any competitive fan base do?
 
We are a blue blood school that hasn’t tasted recurring success for 30 years. Patience is getting a little thin and even fanbases that have regular success would respond just like us.
 
Why do we always beat up our own fan base????
 
 
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Naw! I used to be that way, but in the end there are far worse things in life than whether it not IU played terrible against a team they should destroy. I've seen it before with other teams in the past. Don't get me wrong, I too can get frustrated during a game. In the end it's just a game

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[woodenshoemanHoosierfan]

Bielfeldt made a nice point:
The 1976 undefeated Hoosiers beat (among their 32 wins) a 6-20 Ohio State team by two points, 66-64.
This team ain’t the 1976 Hoosiers. Especially with three of our top nine players sidelined.
We won by 14 to move to 5-1.
We played uninspired ball for 30 minutes, and had plenty in the tank at the end.
We’re fine.
 

Logic is not allowed

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[Stuhoo]

11 hours ago, MikeRoberts said:

Agreed on a 1 game basis but in this young season we have played poorly 3 games in a row and do not seem to be getting better at the most rudimentary parts of the game like free throws, layups and passing. It’s crazy given how much talent we have, injuries or not. Every team has injuries and it seems like several are precautionary


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Fair enough - you’re looking for substantial in-season improvement.

Just like last year’s Archie Miller coached Indiana Hoosiers?

Just sayin; if this team improves as much as last year’s team, it’s gonna be a fun March...and a fun early April.

 

[WayneFleekHoosier]

Naw! I used to be that way, but in the end there are far worse things in life than whether it not IU played terrible against a team they should destroy. I've seen it before with other teams in the past. Don't get me wrong, I too can get frustrated during a game. In the end it's just a game

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That’s really not the point though. Clearly life is more important than IUBB. That’s not the discussion. You act like a casual fan. And that is perfectly fine, most fanbases across the country consist of them.

A HUGE part of what makes IUBB special is the passionate fanbase. Yet we cannibalize our own for having high expectations. It’s a very odd dichotomy we have as a fanbase.

I love and defend IUBB but I’m also very critical of their effort and performance. If we, collectively didn’t care we would end up just being another team because honestly based on results that is all we actually are. Another team.

I have perspective and I like to “coach talk” during games on the message board. I enjoy that aspect of evaluating our team. Just like a coach I’m usually over critical. The same way a coach would sound during a bad performance.




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[WayneFleekHoosier]

 
Fair enough - you’re looking for substantial in-season improvement.
Just like last year’s Archie Miller coached Indiana Hoosiers?
Just sayin; if this team improves as much as last year’s team, it’s gonna be a fun March...and a fun early April.
 

We did lose to Rutgers though in the biggest game of the season.....🤪

Reason for concern is fair.

Thankfully there are plenty of games to get healthy and right the ship.


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[WayneFleekHoosier]

That’s really not the point though. Clearly life is more important than IUBB. That’s not the discussion. You act like a casual fan. And that is perfectly fine, most fanbases across the country consist of them.

A HUGE part of what makes IUBB special is the passionate fanbase. Yet we cannibalize our own for having high expectations. It’s a very odd dichotomy we have as a fanbase.

I love and defend IUBB but I’m also very critical of their effort and performance. If we, collectively didn’t care we would end up just being another team because honestly based on results that is all we actually are. Another team.

I have perspective and I like to “coach talk” during games on the message board. I enjoy that aspect of evaluating our team. Just like a coach I’m usually over critical. The same way a coach would sound during a bad performance.




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The only time I have issues with the fanbase (a few random fans) is when they direct tweet recruits in a negative way. Other than that, message board posters that are frustrated with results doesn’t affect me or the team in the slightest.


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[MikeRoberts]

 

Fair enough - you’re looking for substantial in-season improvement.

Just like last year’s Archie Miller coached Indiana Hoosiers?

Just sayin; if this team improves as much as last year’s team, it’s gonna be a fun March...and a fun early April.

 

I didn’t see the same progress others saw last season. Without pulling up the schedule and stats, I recall us starting sooo poorly that the only place to go was up. We started looking better and won some games but we then faltered down the stretch and flamed out to a terrible Rutgers team to end a very frustrating season.

 

This season is starting out very frustrating as well but the difference is a few more wins which make it more palatable but the product on the floor is still very rough to put it nicely.

 

I am just not seeing what our identity is yet. I thought by now I would be seeing the basics of the game mastered, that we would hit our free throws and take care of the ball etc

 

 

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