Urban Meyer

[Brass Cannon]

2 hours ago, Joe DeLow said:

He was caught pretty crystal clear on video.


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Not what hoosierfan said though

[Alford Bailey]

20 hours ago, HoosierDYT said:

 

This is an unpopular opinion and a tricky situation but needs to be said. There were no police charges actually filed. Zach Smith has YET to be charged with a domestic abuse crime. Apparently the wife called 911 over 50 times and lost her credibility with not only the Gainesville police but also the Columbus police force. By no way am I defending Zach Smith, but if Meyer did report everything to his superiors as he says and fired Zach Smith on 7/23 after Smith’s wife filed for a protection on 7/20, it seems he did nothing wrong. Sure, he could have done more, and that is expected, but to expect a coach to also play the role of the polices is too difficult.


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Agreed. It would be ridiculous to fire Meyer over an assistants messy divorce.

[Brass Cannon]

34 minutes ago, Alford Bailey said:

Agreed. It would be ridiculous to fire Meyer over an assistants messy divorce.

What about being a poor role model for 100 kids?

[Deserthoozier]

1 hour ago, Alford Bailey said:

Agreed. It would be ridiculous to fire Meyer over an assistants messy divorce.

What about being accountable for choosing the standards of personal character you select for your staff who  will be around and have significant influence on young men?  

Acceptance = no change. 

[mdn82]

What about being a poor role model for 100 kids?

Here is the thing and I can definitely see both sides of this. How is he a bad role model for the kids on this situation if he reported like he was supposed to with no criminal charges being made to this point? To me that sends a mixed message that you can and should be ruined in the event of being accused in spite of police declining to continually agree with the accuser. I mean put yourself in that situation. That isn’t cut and dry. It’s his wife that wasn’t leaving him. She obviously stayed and it would be hard to believe there were marks and this just now coming out. You knew they had issues. Maybe he truly thought she was a liar because of where it was always left. She is telling his wife one thing, but the police never agree with her. I am all for the public pile on since it’s OSU but to me it’s not as simple as some are making it. If there were no charges, I don’t feel it is my employers or bosses right to insert himself into my marriage. No matter what my wife said. Maybe she is pissed? Maybe she is a liar? Maybe she is telling the truth? I personally feel she was telling the truth in hindsight but I can empathize with Urban Meyer based on what we currently know if it were 100% truthful. Big if there.


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[Hoosierfan2017]

6 hours ago, Brass Cannon said:

Not what hoosierfan said though

What are you even talking about?  I never said a word about Bob Knight. 

[Brass Cannon]

15 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

What are you even talking about?  I never said a word about Bob Knight. 

Sorry got you confused with Joe who said that people should wait till a guilty. 

Apparently my brain gets people who don’t think ignoring domestic is a big deal mixed up

[Hoosierfan2017]

49 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

Sorry got you confused with Joe who said that people should wait till a guilty. 

Apparently my brain gets people who don’t think ignoring domestic is a big deal mixed up

Pretty big leap there to get "people who don't think ignoring domestic is a big deal" out of "firing people for accusations is a slippery slope". 

Sure, it's not the legal system, so "innocent until proven guilty" isn't at play, but I don't want to live in a society where someone can lose everything because of a mere allegation. Apparently that's an extremist view these days. It's incredibly easy to make something up. Someone could come into your work Monday morning and say "Brass Cannon abused me" without any proof. Would you want to be fired when you didn't do anything? 

[Hoosierfan2017]

1 minute ago, Iugradman said:

That isn’t what happened here. It wasn’t a single allegation. There were multiple instances of alleged abuse, police reports, pictures, etc. Urban has a history of tolerating bad behavior in his program and admittedly lied to the media about what he knew in 2015.

I wasn't really talking about the OSU situation though, just more generally about the larger issue. What Meyer did or did not do, who knows. I don't expect him to get fired and if he does he'll have another job within a week  

[Gahoosierfan]

17 hours ago, Deserthoozier said:

What about being accountable for choosing the standards of personal character you select for your staff who  will be around and have significant influence on young men?  

Acceptance = no change. 

He fired him 3 days later. Isn't that setting a good example? There are two sides to this story. It was a marriage going bad. It sounds like both husband and wife behaved badly. It happens. 

[Brass Cannon]

4 hours ago, Gahoosierfan said:

He fired him 3 days later. Isn't that setting a good example? There are two sides to this story. It was a marriage going bad. It sounds like both husband and wife behaved badly. It happens. 

3 years. And describing this as a husband behaving badly is part of the problem  

 

[schoosier]

4 hours ago, Brass Cannon said:

3 years. And describing this as a husband behaving badly is part of the problem  

 

Rushing to judgement is another part of the problem. Will you accept it if OSU keeps him? 

[Brass Cannon]

28 minutes ago, schoosier said:

Rushing to judgement is another part of the problem. Will you accept it if OSU keeps him? 

How am I rushing. I’m judging Meyer based on what he’s publically stated. 

[schoosier]

4 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

How am I rushing. I’m judging Meyer based on what he’s publically stated. 

You have an opinion but I’m quite sure not all of the facts. Otherwise, Meyer would have already been gone. 

[Brass Cannon]

3 minutes ago, schoosier said:

You have an opinion but I’m quite sure not all of the facts. Otherwise, Meyer would have already been gone. 

My opinion is based on what Meyer literally admitted to. 

Of course i dont have all the facts. But when people admit to doing something crappy on their own volition kinda saves alot of time

[Class of '66 Old Fart]

This is getting better than the Jerry Springer show.    Here's a teaser from the article below:  The latest and most lurid bombshell allegations dropped Friday by Stadium.com’s Brett McMurphy complete the portrait of former Buckeyes wide receivers coach Zach Smith as a profoundly troubled Ohio State employee. Self-made photographs allegedly of Smith having sex with an Ohio State staffer in the football facility; photographs of Smith’s penis during a White House visit to honor the Buckeyes’ 2014 nation title team; and a shipment of sex toys to the Woody Hayes Athletic Complex were all part of the revelations McMurphy published Friday.

https://sports.yahoo.com/urban-meyer-risk-legendary-career-one-troubled-assistant-004851272.html

[TheWatShot]

There will be much debate about what Meyer knew or didn't know, but ultimately, there are two reasons he won't be fired:

1) 73-8

2) 6-0

 

Overall record, and his record against Michigan. Those are the only things that will really matter here. Meyer could beat up his own wife in front of 80,000 people at a spring game and OSU still wouldn't fire him as long as he keeps winning and beating Michigan.

[Magnanimous]

4 hours ago, TheWatShot said:

There will be much debate about what Meyer knew or didn't know, but ultimately, there are two reasons he won't be fired:

1) 73-8

2) 6-0

 

Overall record, and his record against Michigan. Those are the only things that will really matter here. Meyer could beat up his own wife in front of 80,000 people at a spring game and OSU still wouldn't fire him as long as he keeps winning and beating Michigan.

Ohio State fired Jim Tressel, who went 106-22 as their coach and was 9-1 against Michigan, because he lied about his players selling their own possessions.  They also fired Woody Hayes and John Cooper. Ohio State is not afraid to fire successful coaches. It's one of the best jobs in the country, and they normally have their pick of the lot whenever it opens up.

Programs at that level have no problem canning a coach because they know they'll be back at some point. It's the mid-level schools that have had the majority of their success under one coach that are less likely to willingly fire that coach (Michigan State). 

[Alford Bailey]

A typical case in todays culture of outrage before the facts were known. The appropriate action was taken.

[southsidehoosier]

27 minutes ago, Alford Bailey said:

A typical case in todays culture of outrage before the facts were known. The appropriate action was taken.

Maybe I missed something but what appropriate actions did Meyers take?