Evan Fitzner to IU

[CSP]

54 minutes ago, Bowhunter said:

I guess I need to see him play a little more but saying Fitzner is more skilled than a high 4 star player might be a stretch.

Davis isn't a high 4 star. He's a slow-footed JR coming off a major injury and has no outside shot and is limited physically. 

[Brass Cannon]

12 minutes ago, btownqb said:

Davis isn't a high 4 star. He's a slow-footed JR coming off a major injury and has no outside shot and is limited physically. 

Davis is a high 4 star, hes just not fit for this system.  He still shot over 60% last year.  In the right system Davis would be a beast.  And hopefully he can change his game enough to be a beast in Archies

[HoosierHoops1]

31 minutes ago, Woodson1980 said:

I never understood the Allen transfer.I thought he was going to be a really good player for us.Wasn't that when Samscum took the reigns?

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Samsung tried to make him a 6' 10" big, BA wanted to be a 6' 10" small forward...

Something to keep an eye on; I don't think it was until August when Ben announced he was transferring.

[raorIU]

I'm just unfamiliar with them? who are they? 

Indianapolis sports talk radio, FM 97.5 in the PM. Schultz is an IU grad, definitely knows basketball as well as any other ardent IUBB fan would. Query is substantially embedded in all things Indiana sports (calls Indycar races on IMS Radio for example), and also knows basketball as well as any other born-and-raised Hoosier. So, all that considered, either that was a bad interview or the St. Mary's poster is off-target.

[Brass Cannon]

1 minute ago, HoosierHoops1 said:

Samsung tried to make him a 6' 10" big, BA wanted to be a 6' 10" small forward...

Something to keep an eye on; I don't think it was until August when Ben announced he was transferring.

Late August IIRC

[8bucks]

Davis WAS a high 4 star. What he is now is tbd.


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[CSP]

15 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

Davis is a high 4 star, hes just not fit for this system.  He still shot over 60% last year.  In the right system Davis would be a beast.  And hopefully he can change his game enough to be a beast in Archies

your rankings go by the wayside once you step foot on campus. I honestly do not care where he was ranked... I have no idea what system he would need to play for to be a beast? He's too slow for the way basketball is played now and he almost never has anyone he can guard. Do "high 4 stars" usually avg 7 and 4 during their first two years and only play 15mins a game? He was incorrectly ranked, especially with the way the game is played now. 

He shot 60% because the only shots he takes are ones that a layup. He has zero jumpshot. 

[Brass Cannon]

5 minutes ago, btownqb said:

your rankings go by the wayside once you step foot on campus. I honestly do not care where he was ranked... I have no idea what system he would need to play for to be a beast? He's too slow for the way basketball is played now and he almost never has anyone he can guard. Do "high 4 stars" usually avg 7 and 4 during their first two years and only play 15mins a game? He was incorrectly ranked, especially with the way the game is played now. 

He shot 60% because the only shots he takes are ones that a layup. He has zero jumpshot. 

You really like to change history to fit the current narrative.  Davis' freshman year was impressive enough to have extremely high hopes by both this board and the media.  And despite being hampered by an injury he still had a 28.6 PER which while a flawed stat is still pretty eye popping. 

[CSP]

Just now, Brass Cannon said:

You really like to change history to fit the current narrative.  Davis' freshman year was impressive enough to have extremely high hopes by both this board and the media.  And despite being hampered by an injury he still had a 28.6 PER which while a flawed stat is still pretty eye popping. 

change history? I don't have the ability to change history, unfortunately. I did have somewhat high hopes for him, I guess... but it's obvious defensively he is just a complete liability. 

[Brass Cannon]

4 minutes ago, btownqb said:

change history? I don't have the ability to change history, unfortunately. I did have somewhat high hopes for him, I guess... but it's obvious defensively he is just a complete liability. 

In archies system yes.  In a different system he could be a beast

[CSP]

1 minute ago, Brass Cannon said:

In archies system yes.  In a different system he could be a beast

Who's? And his defensive issues are the real problem. 

[RaceToTheTop]

Davis’ play last year starting going down toward his last games and it turned out it was a significant injury.  I’m sure they are related.

[Brass Cannon]

4 minutes ago, btownqb said:

Who's? And his defensive issues are the real problem. 

Any number of them.  A defense that doesn't rely on him to be as mobile for example.  Something that plays a straight man to man for example. 

 

[Bowhunter]

34 minutes ago, 8bucks said:

Davis WAS a high 4 star. What he is now is tbd.


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As is this guy who scored 6 points a game over his career 

[CSP]

3 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

Any number of them.  A defense that doesn't rely on him to be as mobile for example.  Something that plays a straight man to man for example. 

 

We play only a man to man. 

[Brass Cannon]

1 minute ago, btownqb said:

We play only a man to man. 

Pack line is a VARIATION of the man to man.  Not a STRAIGHT man to man.  There is a difference.  Jesus Christ how do you not get that. 

[CSP]

3 minutes ago, Bowhunter said:

As is this guy who scored 6 points a game over his career 

But your role players need specialities. He has one and he feels a role. You don't surround Romeo and Juwan with a Davis type big guy, you surround him with a Fitzner type guy. This fit is perfect. 

[CSP]

1 minute ago, Brass Cannon said:

Pack line is a VARIATION of the man to man.  Not a STRAIGHT man to man.  There is a difference.  Jesus Christ how do you not get that. 

No it's literally not. Lol I coach the pack line, I grew up in the pack line, it's literally all I've ever done defensively. 

[Hoosierfan2017]

IIRC, De'ron's rating dropped quite a bit throughout his high school career. He's a plodder, and Archie's system isn't made for players like that. I think Jake Forrester is the kind of big guy we will see Archie going after in the years to come. 

[Bowhunter]

3 minutes ago, btownqb said:

But your role players need specialities. He has one and he feels a role. You don't surround Romeo and Juwan with a Davis type big guy, you surround him with a Fitzner type guy. This fit is perfect. 

I’m not saying Fitzner doesn’t fill a need.  I’m just saying give Davis a chance. He was recruited to do big things. He was hurt most of if not all of last season. He was tagged by Dakich as lazy, but he was indeed dealing with an injury. He looked pretty good his freshman year when he was healthy. Many of you forget some of this board wanted him playing in front of Bryant at certain times of the season.