TOM CREAN BUYOUT

[Whojainjawja]

It looks like CTC could land in Athens soon. He received a $4 million buyout when he left. Does anyone know if that was a lump sum, or to be paid over time? If it were over time, would IU be off the hook for the balance once he is hired? Thanks.

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[HoosierAloha]

It looks like CTC could land in Athens soon. He received a $4 million buyout when he left. Does anyone know if that was a lump sum, or to be paid over time? If it were over time, would IU be off the hook for the balance once he is hired? Thanks.

 

 

Paid over time. If he were to get $2 mil per year from IU over the next 4 years his annual salary will come off that amount. If his annual salary is $2 mil per at his next job IU won't owe him anything. (No idea if those are the actual numbers, just an example)


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[Whojainjawja]

UGA offered Matta $15 million for 5 years so I would think CTC offer would be in the same neighborhood. If that is the case IU only had to pony up one year, unless his ESPN pay counted toward buyout deduction. 

[mdn82]

UGA offered Matta $15 million for 5 years so I would think CTC offer would be in the same neighborhood. If that is the case IU only had to pony up one year, unless his ESPN pay counted toward buyout deduction. 

ESPN does count towards pay. So we paid him very little versus what his buyout is.

 

 

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[Brass Cannon]

No way I would offer Crean the same as Matta

[Class of '66 Old Fart]

31 minutes ago, mdn82 said:

ESPN does count towards pay. So we paid him very little versus what his buyout is.

 

 

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I hope he gets the job and we'll be able to look back fondly at how cheap ($$) it was to get rid of him.

[Whojainjawja]

1 minute ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

I hope he gets the job and we'll be able to look back fondly at how cheap ($$) it was to get rid of him.

This

[GloryDays]

No way I would offer Crean, period. There are mid major coaches far better than Tommy Naismith.

Shhhhhh,
They might hear you.

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[cthomas]

1 hour ago, Iugradman said:

No way I would offer Crean, period. There are mid major coaches far better than Tommy Naismith.

I can only say to those looking to hire Coach Crean that he is an outstanding coach and is worth more than his previous coaching position paid him. Get him until contact as soon as possible because he won't be available very long.

[dbmhoosier]

He belongs coaching the Purple Aces.  That is his ceiling. 

[Gahoosierfan]

Glass never should have given Crean and extension and raise. That is a major black mark on his record. He kept Crean around several years longer than he should have. 

 

[bigrod]

26 minutes ago, Iugradman said:

Preach. But McRobbie doesn’t care. The athletics department turned a profit last year. That is all he cares about.

Did anyone happen to catch the last "Earn Your Stripes" podcast with Dave Anderson? He talked a little about Glass and the athletic department. Now he is a good friend of Crean's, so his views may be a little skewed, but he didn't have anything good to say about Glass. He basically said people that worked under him described him as lazy,  two-faced, and said he didn't have their backs. I believe he described it as toxic a few times.

I guess I've never really understood a lot of the criticism of Glass, but it sounds like there's something there.

It was actually a pretty good episode. He talked a lot about the team that won the B1G and how they turned it around.

[WayneFleekHoosier]

Did anyone happen to catch the last "Earn Your Stripes" podcast with Dave Anderson? He talked a little about Glass and the athletic department. Now he is a good friend of Crean's, so his views may be a little skewed, but he didn't have anything good to say about Glass. He basically said people that worked under him described him as lazy,  two-faced, and said he didn't have their backs. I believe he described it as toxic a few times.
I guess I've never really understood a lot of the criticism of Glass, but it sounds like there's something there.
It was actually a pretty good episode. He talked a lot about the team that won the B1G and how they turned it around.

Crean has mentioned on several forums that he wasn't on the same page as the AD and Glass. I'd like to know the specifics of this discord.



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[bigrod]

37 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Crean has mentioned on several forums that he wasn't on the same page as the AD and Glass. I'd like to know the specifics of this discord.



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He didn't go into a lot of detail, but did say he was just relaying what several employees had told him.

He was hired to give a leadership talk to the athletic dept. and also said Glass never bothered to show up. I'm just going off of memory, but I think it was about 15-20 minutes into the podcast. He also said he had a whole chapter in his book dedicated to Yogi - Fight Like Ferrell.

[chicagoHOOSIER]

On 3/15/2018 at 1:09 PM, mdn82 said:

ESPN does count towards pay. So we paid him very little versus what his buyout is.

 

 

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I am curious to know how much Crean made at ESPN.  I hope he got paid there too lol.

[Brass Cannon]

On 3/21/2018 at 12:19 PM, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Crean has mentioned on several forums that he wasn't on the same page as the AD and Glass. I'd like to know the specifics of this discord.



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They expected him to win consistently

[AZ Hoosier]

Crean has mentioned on several forums that he wasn't on the same page as the AD and Glass. I'd like to know the specifics of this discord.



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Aren’t the “AD and Glass” the same person? I’m confused.

[WayneFleekHoosier]

Aren’t the “AD and Glass” the same person? I’m confused.

I was using AD as Athletic Department vs Athletic Director. Sorry to confuse.

And definitely wasn’t using it as Alpha Dog.
Or was I............................


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[WayneFleekHoosier]

They expected him to win consistently

I get that. But that isn’t what Crean is talking about IMO.

With Crean though and his convoluted logic, who the heck knows. The guys brain works in mysterious ways.


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[LamarCheeks]

2 hours ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

I get that. But that isn’t what Crean is talking about IMO.

With Crean though and his convoluted logic, who the heck knows. The guys brain works in mysterious ways.


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Actually, that might have been at the root of it (though like most, I don't know for sure). After the nice two-year run with the Zeller-Oladipo team (except that damn Syracuse game), in the next two years, we didn't make the NCAAs, then barely made it. And after winning the B1G in 2016, we stunk the next year. ... In an interview after he got fired, Crean essentially said he thought he deserved a reset after 2013, because he lost Cody and Vic to the NBA (although shouldn't as a HC, he have been prepared for that?). And he was disappointed that after 2016, he didn't get an extension. ... I think to him, having a decent season every 2-3 years was good enough while I think the athletic department's message was: "You're getting $3.3 million a year. That's not good enough." ... I could be wrong (and probably am), but I wouldn't be surprised if this wasn't a big part of them "not being on the same page." ... Also, maybe scheduling had something to do with it. At news conferences in firing Crean and hiring Archie, Glass seemed to express some disdain over the awful non-conference slates we had been playing.