Post Season Thoughts Thread

[Stuhoo]

We were a hot mess out of conference last year: hard to believe we won’t improve on that.
We were 9-9 in conference last year. We will improve on that too.



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[HoosierTrav]

26 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

I think we are a good team if we add Romeo too.

I responding to a post saying any team that adds Romeo will be better than a 8 seed in NCAA. My response was a “nothing is guaranteed” response with an example.

Trae Young is a good example from this season and he is a phenomenal talent.

All this said, if we add Romeo and a piece and retain talent I will be very optimistic myself.


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Gotcha!! I didn’t read far enough back to get all of the context....my bad doc

[Uspshoosier]

We were a hot mess because we got beat by better teams and got lazy in two games. We were 9-9 in a very weak Big Ten with a very weak conference schedule. Our conference schedule next year probably can't get worse, so it is going to take a lot of work to get to 9-9.

Actually our conference schedule was 2nd hardest behind Wisconsin. Michigan st had the easiest conference schedule


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[Stuhoo]

We were a hot mess because we got beat by better teams and got lazy in two games. We were 9-9 in a very weak Big Ten with a very weak conference schedule. Our conference schedule next year probably can't get worse, so it is going to take a lot of work to get to 9-9.

Okay: so what I’m sayin is that we won’t get lazy in two gimme games, we won’t get beat by as many better teams because WE will be a better team, and that the “very weak” B1G, which has a really good shot of putting its fourth place team into the National Championship game, will not be especially improved.

Oh, and what USPS said about our schedule goes for me too.

So stop being such a mothertrucking gloomy bastage.

 

 

 

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[wirenuts]

Okay: so what I’m sayin is that we won’t get lazy in two gimme games, we won’t get beat by as many better teams because WE will be a better team, and that the “very weak” B1G, which has a really good shot of putting its fourth place team into the National Championship game, will not be especially improved.
Oh, and what USPS said about our schedule goes for me too.
So stop being such a mothertrucking gloomy bastage.
 
 
 
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Farging iceholes!!!

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[chicagoHOOSIER]

On 3/12/2018 at 9:42 AM, Gahoosierfan said:

Since 2000, IU BB has been relevant in only about 3 seasons. It has to do with having a competent AD and good coaches. 

That's an awfully harsh assessment.  The program has not been as good as it should be, but it has still been relevant more than 3 seasons.

[chicagoHOOSIER]

On 3/12/2018 at 1:51 PM, RatpigHoosier said:

Thanks for posting this. I wish everyone would take the time to read it. Let's try to not put unreasonable expectations on Archie. Give the man an honest chance and a little time. Good grief!


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He got a 7 year contract.  That is about as honest a chance as one gets in life, no?

[HoosierFan1994]

1 hour ago, chicagoHOOSIER said:

That's an awfully harsh assessment.  The program has not been as good as it should be, but it has still been relevant more than 3 seasons.

Since 2000 it has really been 2002, 2012, 2013, 2016. That's about it.. 2008 should've been special but we all know what happened. 

[mdn82]

Since 2000 it has really been 2002, 2012, 2013, 2016. That's about it.. 2008 should've been special but we all know what happened. 

Sad that we have had 3 coaches in that time and Crean accounts for 3 of those relevant seasons. Then people act like he singlehandedly took down the program. You really don’t hear people complaining about Davis. Some about Sampson. But nowhere near Crean. It’s personal to some with him and I don’t understand why. I don’t expect people to be content with his tenure, but respect that he did better than Davis or Sampson and didn’t run the program into the ground. He left it better than when he got here. That’s what you hope for. The previous two coaches? Not at all.


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[JSHoosier]

4 minutes ago, mdn82 said:

Sad that we have had 3 coaches in that time and Crean accounts for 3 of those relevant seasons. Then people act like he singlehandedly took down the program. You really don’t hear people complaining about Davis. Some about Sampson. But nowhere near Crean. It’s personal to some with him and I don’t understand why. I don’t expect people to be content with his tenure, but respect that he did better than Davis or Sampson and didn’t run the program into the ground. He left it better than when he got here. That’s what you hope for. The previous two coaches? Not at all.


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I've admitted Crean was better than those two, but that wasn't a high bar to reach.  Davis was an incompetent clown that never should've been hired on a permament basis and Samsung never should've been hired period for other reasons; Crean was just a bad coach the administration should've fired sooner.

[HoosierX]

13 minutes ago, mdn82 said:

Sad that we have had 3 coaches in that time and Crean accounts for 3 of those relevant seasons. Then people act like he singlehandedly took down the program. You really don’t hear people complaining about Davis. Some about Sampson. But nowhere near Crean. It’s personal to some with him and I don’t understand why. I don’t expect people to be content with his tenure, but respect that he did better than Davis or Sampson and didn’t run the program into the ground. He left it better than when he got here. That’s what you hope for. The previous two coaches? Not at all.


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That's because it's been 10 years since either of them has coached. Crean is still very fresh.

I was at IU while Davis was coach and changed a speech in my business presentations class the night before to why Mike Davis should be fired after we scored like 35 points at home against Notre Dame.

[Whojainjawja]

CAM had a ton of coaching to do this year. We were one of the worst teams in the country in TO's and defense when he arrived. No proven pg and lost our center for the season. Teaching defense is not a one season proposal. Going into off season workouts this year will be night and day over last year. If the progress and momentum that were building picks up where it left off, IU will be a tough out next season. Look at the teams going to the E8. How many superstars are on those teams? I trust the process when the right coach is in place, and I think we have a keeper.

[mdn82]

That's because it's been 10 years since either of them has coached. Crean is still very fresh.
I was at IU while Davis was coach and changed a speech in my business presentations class the night before to why Mike Davis should be fired after we scored like 35 points at home against Notre Dame.

I was at IU during the same timeframe. It isn’t close as to who is the worst coach of the 3. I would argue the admin that hired Davis and Davis did more to harm this program than Sampson and Crean combined. Basically that admin decided we weren’t going to be a top a program anymore. In perception and reality. Sampson was what he was before he got here. That’s on the admin. Crean really got us back on track academically. He wasn’t consistent enough to coach here. He did some good things, but equally dumb things. Some on here act as though he brought the program down to the rubbles. That’s just simply not the case. I am glad he is gone. I hope for consistency, but he is no Davis or Sampson. I hope Archie is here for 25 years.


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[mdn82]

Davis made the tournament in four of his six seasons and left his successor with a solid, NCAA tournament quality team. Sampson was truly awful and deservedly vilified but you can't question his coaching ability.

Crean oversaw the worst stretch of IU basketball in decades and completely burned bridges in the state, leaving Archie with a massive task to heal those wounds. He also did not leave the program in much better shape than when he found it. The roster this year was awful and would have been even worse next season had Crean stayed. Then you factor in his weird behavior and refusal to take responsibility for his mistakes, and you can see why he is not highly regarded.

If sweet 16s are awful, round of 32/64 in 4 of 6 is better? He left his successor with ok players because he was an awful coach and couldn’t do anything with decent players. I truly cannot believe someone is trying to argue Davis was better than Crean. Now that is some crazy ****.

 

Edit: Crean didn’t burn the bridges. They have been burned for 20 years. That’s just you telling yourself that because you didn’t like the man. All 3 coaches did nothing to endear themselves to this states coaches. That isn’t a Crean thing.

 

 

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[HoosierX]

21 minutes ago, mdn82 said:

I was at IU during the same timeframe. It isn’t close as to who is the worst coach of the 3. I would argue the admin that hired Davis and Davis did more to harm this program than Sampson and Crean combined. Basically that admin decided we weren’t going to be a top a program anymore. In perception and reality. Sampson was what he was before he got here. That’s on the admin. Crean really got us back on track academically. He wasn’t consistent enough to coach here. He did some good things, but equally dumb things. Some on here act as though he brought the program down to the rubbles. That’s just simply not the case. I am glad he is gone. I hope for consistency, but he is no Davis or Sampson. I hope Archie is here for 25 years.


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I don't disagree, but I'm also willing to bet that 10 years from now Crean will be remembered very differently, especially if we're successful under Archie.  I also don't think Crean will be talked about nearly as much strictly due to the passage of time.

[mdn82]

I don't disagree, but I'm also willing to bet that 10 years from now Crean will be remembered very differently, especially if we're successful under Archie.  I also don't think Crean will be talked about nearly as much strictly due to the passage of time.

Honestly on all of the boards at the time Davis was fired I don’t remember all of the hatred. There were few on the Indy Star and Scout for sure. It went away quick. I wonder if it has more to do with us being further away from being consistently good if that makes sense. I also just hope Archie doesn’t **** the bed too. Don’t feel like dealing with this stuff for a while.


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[Brass Cannon]

I think most people understood Davis was in over his head. 

He never should have been given the job. 

Crean had plenty of experience and apparently a blank check for recruiting and couldn't get it done. 

[Stuhoo]

I think most people understood Davis was in over his head. 
He never should have been given the job. 
Crean had plenty of experience and apparently a blank check for recruiting and couldn't get it done. 

This is exactly what Davis has said about himself; he was in over his head.



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[Brass Cannon]

1 minute ago, Stuhoo said:

 

This is exactly what Davis has said about himself; he was in over his head.



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Capable of self assessment the mark of a good leader.  

Probably why he's absolutely dominating at Texas Southern. 

[JSHoosier]

1 hour ago, HoosierX said:

That's because it's been 10 years since either of them has coached. Crean is still very fresh.

I was at IU while Davis was coach and changed a speech in my business presentations class the night before to why Mike Davis should be fired after we scored like 35 points at home against Notre Dame.

As was I, my time on campus went from Davis to Samsung.  Talk about brutal, I cheered when Davis left and cussed when the other was hired.