Corruption in College Basketball

[Stuhoo]

1 minute ago, Bowhunter said:

I worry that the more teams get in trouble the less the punishment there will be. As others have said we gutted our program over phone calls and text messages. I want the big boys like UK to go down and I’m not sure it will happen if the majority of college basketball is found to be corrupt.

Am I wrong?

 

Agreed. 

However, hopefully full sunshine will be a full disinfectant of the current situation. 

If that happens, coupled with our local talent base and Archie's coaching ability? Wowza; glorious days ahead for IUBB.

 

[Brass Cannon]

12 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

 

Agreed. 

However, hopefully full sunshine will be a full disinfectant of the current situation. 

If that happens, coupled with our local talent base and Archie's coaching ability? Wowza; glorious days ahead for IUBB.

 

Plus a one year head start. Plus could see some coaches just hanging it up not fired but moving on. 

[mdn82]

I worry that the more teams get in trouble the less the punishment there will be. As others have said we gutted our program over phone calls and text messages. I want the big boys like UK to go down and I’m not sure it will happen if the majority of college basketball is found to be corrupt.
Am I wrong?

I don’t think you are wrong at all. I can see them marketing some crazy changes that are more of a smoke screen. Maybe now the players will get paid and Bill Walton will call the national title game.


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[Bowhunter]

So if Bam gets $36,000 does Kentucky get punished as much as Louisville  for Bowen getting 100,000

[WayneFleekHoosier]

So if Bam gets $36,000 does Kentucky get punished as much as Louisville  for Bowen getting 100,000

1 Agents money compared to shoe company money. They are grabbing money anywhere they can get it. Bam and others could end up iwith much higher tallies.


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[JHoosier914]

And lets not forget that the image that the yahoo article shared was from 2015.  MUCH more money, players, and schools will be released in due time.

[Bailey7878]

Can MSU really continue on with Izzo and think they can somehow save face? This piled on with the ongoing investigation has to be too much right?

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Yes they can and they will. He wins and that's all that matters period.

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[DChoosier]

I realize the amount of money from shoe companies will likely blow away the numbers that were published today.

 In regards to the numbers today, however, I am shocked at how small some of   the totals are.  $400 to Miles Bridges (actually his mom).  Not to justify it but how is that going to sway a 5 star?  Who knows, maybe it will come out that a shoe company came through with 100k but the small amounts ( mostly) were a surprise.

[Bailey7878]

I've said that before: If Crean was cheating, he certainly wasn't very good at it.

The only players i could see crean paying were April and priller. I mean how else did we get priller away from immaculate heart.

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[Bailey7878]

It takes the NCAA forever to resolve one case. There is no way they can deal with anything this pervasive. More likely, this will lead to a rewriting of the rule book that, much like phone-gate, will make some of this stuff go away. I just don't see much happening given, as so many posters have pointed out, the amount of money involved.

Not much of anything is going to happen and it will take the ncaa five years to release any findings.

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[Bailey7878]

So if Bam gets $36,000 does Kentucky get punished as much as Louisville  for Bowen getting 100,000

Nothing is going to happen to Kentucky so just prepare yourself. Just like nothing will ever happen to Duke or North Carolina.

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[maharkn]

I think since the FBI is involved the NCAA will have no choice but to take action no matter how many teams in high profile coaches are involved

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[Stuhoo]

I realize the amount of money from shoe companies will likely blow away the numbers that were published today.
 In regards to the numbers today, however, I am shocked at how small some of   the totals are.  $400 to Miles Bridges (actually his mom).  Not to justify it but how is that going to sway a 5 star?  Who knows, maybe it will come out that a shoe company came through with 100k but the small amounts ( mostly) were a surprise.

That $400 to Bridges was one ledger entry from one page.



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[coonhounds]

That $400 to Bridges was one ledger entry from one page.



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Yes and 400 dollars looks large compared to 9 games for 10 dollar bumper sticker

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[Bailey7878]

I think since the FBI is involved the NCAA will have no choice but to take action no matter how many teams in high profile coaches are involved

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Maybe but with the speed they move at coach k and Roy Williams will be retired before any findings come out.

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[HoosierAloha]

Hahahaha

Waynefleek and others have been saying that most top recruits are dirty. This is ONE agency with a limited amount of years being exposed. This has zero shoe companies, other agencies, or boosters.

This is the equivalent of the trace amount of banned substance found in Trier's system compared to what actually has changed hands for recruits/players.

Is IU completely clean in all of this? I doubt it. Will they find enough to lump IU in with the others? I doubt it.

Recruiting is dirty and will only change when the NCAA wants it to change. Why would the NCAA want it to change when they're making so much money. The system is deeply flawed and needs to be drained.

The Big time programs won't be penalized what they should be and the NCAA will tread water until the skies clear.

Is there anything negative Izzo is not involved in?


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[WayneFleekHoosier]

Hahahaha

Waynefleek and others have been saying that most top recruits are dirty. This is ONE agency with a limited amount of years being exposed. This has zero shoe companies, other agencies, or boosters.

This is the equivalent of the trace amount of banned substance found in Trier's system compared to what actually has changed hands for recruits/players.

Is IU completely clean in all of this? I doubt it. Will they find enough to lump IU in with the others? I doubt it.

Recruiting is dirty and will only change when the NCAA wants it to change. Why would the NCAA want it to change when they're making so much money. The system is deeply flawed and needs to be drained.

The Big time programs won't be penalized what they should be and the NCAA will tread water until the skies clear.

Is there anything negative Izzo is not involved in?


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Dick Vitale will continue to support the biggest sleazes. Haha.

The third party payments (shoes, agents, boosters) allows coaches to claim plausible deniability. How much falls on the team vs the player will be interesting.

The coaches having lunches with these agents may be the most indicting thing imo because it gives proof of knowledge of the ongoings.


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[SlamaJamaSisley]

26 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Dick Vitale will continue to support the biggest sleazes. Haha.

The third party payments (shoes, agents, boosters) allows coaches to claim plausible deniability. How much falls on the team vs the player will be interesting.

The coaches having lunches with these agents may be the most indicting thing imo because it gives proof of knowledge of the ongoings.


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Oh, I am sure they discussed everything else but payment to his players ... or at least that will be the defense I am sure.  

[cthomas]

I honestly don't see how any of this can be cleaned up without a major reset of college athletics or at least football and basketball. Is there anything that would prevent the major conferences from withdrawing from the NCAA and forming their own sanctioning body? They make enough money with television networks that it might work. As we have seen over and over, the NCAA has very little power when institutions push back.

[Bailey7878]

I honestly don't see how any of this can be cleaned up without a major reset of college athletics or at least football and basketball. Is there anything that would prevent the major conferences from withdrawing from the NCAA and forming their own sanctioning body? They make enough money with television networks that it might work. As we have seen over and over, the NCAA has very little power when institutions push back.

As stated the ncaa will tread water until the smoke clears. I think we are starting to see why izzo has gotten so much top talent out of indiana. I don't think it's that he out recruited us. That being said izzo will still skate and retire a legend.

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