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[Brass Cannon]

Just now, Old Friend said:

God.....why do you need more than "I don't think he fits?"   Why do I need to explain myself any more than that?  The guy is from and of the east coast.  We've recruited kids from there for, what, 17 years since Knight left?   He's an NBA guy, now.  That's not Indiana's culture in my mind.  It's just not.  I didn't say you said it was the only qualification, but I copy/pasted your whole post.  What else did that one say?    Winning is not the only fit, either....hence my Calipari reference.   It has to be a cultural fit too; and if you don't understand that, you're either too young to have the same view I do or you don't understand Indiana's history in the way I see it.  All of that matters.  Again...my opinion.  You don't have to agree with it.   There can be no "legit" reason with you.  I know it and you know it.

Just because hes from the East coast doesn't mean he will recruit there.  And just because hes in the NBA now doesn't mean he is going to act like it when he comes back.  

You can have an opinion.  Thats fine, but when its not backed up by anything other than how you feel you can't expect people to think very highly of it.

[Old Friend]

3 minutes ago, SteelerHoosier said:

Then what makes someone fit? 

1)  Someone who doesn't have a Kentucky background.  He does.

2)  Someone who's not an east coaster.  He is.

3)  Someone who's not an NBA guy.  He is.

4)  Someone who loves to recruit.   He does not (friend of mine was an assistant of his at Marshall)

5)  Someone who wants to recruit locally and has relationships locally.   He does not.

There are other reasons, and you don't have to agree with any of them.   

[Walking Boot of Doom]

1)  Someone who doesn't have a Kentucky background.  He does.
2)  Someone who's not an east coaster.  He is.
3)  Someone who's not an NBA guy.  He is.
4)  Someone who loves to recruit.   He does not (friend of mine was an assistant of his at Marshall)
5)  Someone who wants to recruit locally and has relationships locally.   He does not.
There are other reasons, and you don't have to agree with any of them.   

Guess Brad is out too then. Tainted by the NBA.


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[Old Friend]

Just now, Brass Cannon said:

Just because hes from the East coast doesn't mean he will recruit there.  And just because hes in the NBA now doesn't mean he is going to act like it when he comes back.  

You can have an opinion.  Thats fine, but when its not backed up by anything other than how you feel you can't expect people to think very highly of it.

What in the hell do you think an opinion is?   I couldn't care less what you think of my opinion.  I sure don't care about yours.  See above if you want more; and when you start YOUR argument with "just because......doesn't mean?"  You aren't standing on anything, either my friend.  

[Old Friend]

Just now, Walking Boot of Doom said:

Guess Brad is out too then. Tainted by the NBA.


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He's not coming.  Irrelevant.  Good retort because I think he's a better fit than Donovan because of the other qualifications; but you're right.  Based on what I said, he's out.

[Brass Cannon]

1 minute ago, Old Friend said:

1)  Someone who doesn't have a Kentucky background.  He does.

2)  Someone who's not an east coaster.  He is.

3)  Someone who's not an NBA guy.  He is.

4)  Someone who loves to recruit.   He does not (friend of mine was an assistant of his at Marshall)

5)  Someone who wants to recruit locally and has relationships locally.   He does not.

There are other reasons, and you don't have to agree with any of them.   

He coached at Kentucky so he is disqualified?  Thats ludicrous for a number of reasons.  

I mean whats the word for this Coastist?

Hes been there less than 2 years, if he dislikes enough to come back to college I doubt that makes him an NBA guy

Donovan is going to get Recruits here just like he did at Florida and its going to be easier because of our facilities

So in 1) he got knocked for working in our back yard.  Yet here he gets faulted for not having iworked in our backyard.

[HooHooHoo22]

Oh guys hush


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[Brass Cannon]

3 minutes ago, Old Friend said:

What in the hell do you think an opinion is?   I couldn't care less what you think of my opinion.  I sure don't care about yours.  See above if you want more; and when you start YOUR argument with "just because......doesn't mean?"  You aren't standing on anything, either my friend.  

Just because means you are making blanket statements not backed up by facts.  And yes there are things called informed opinions.  

[Walking Boot of Doom]

What in the hell do you think an opinion is?   I couldn't care less what you think of my opinion.  I sure don't care about yours.  See above if you want more; and when you start YOUR argument with "just because......doesn't mean?"  You aren't standing on anything, either my friend.  

How many people peed in your cornflakes over the course of your life?


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[TheWatShot]

6 minutes ago, Old Friend said:

1)  Someone who doesn't have a Kentucky background.  He does.

2)  Someone who's not an east coaster.  He is.

3)  Someone who's not an NBA guy.  He is.

4)  Someone who loves to recruit.   He does not (friend of mine was an assistant of his at Marshall)

5)  Someone who wants to recruit locally and has relationships locally.   He does not.

There are other reasons, and you don't have to agree with any of them.   

#1, 2 and 3 seem incredibly petulant to me. I'm not worried about someone's desire to recruit. We just need someone who can coach. And I'm not worried about recruiting relationships in our state either, because our next coach couldn't possibly butcher them like Crean did. 

[Old Friend]

Just now, Brass Cannon said:

Just because means you are making blanket statements not backed up by facts.  And yes there are things called informed opinions.  

"Just because" sounds like a 4th grader with a very red face.  Your "informed" opinion is what....?  That Donovan is a fit at Indiana?  What makes that an informed opinion?  I'd love to know.

[Brass Cannon]

Just now, Old Friend said:

"Just because" sounds like a 4th grader with a very red face.  Your "informed" opinion is what....?  That Donovan is a fit at Indiana?  What makes that an informed opinion?  I'd love to know.

My opinion is that Donovan is a proven winner.  I have back to back NCs to support and inform this opinion.  Other evidence is 2 more finals fours.  

All while winning them at a school that cares more about Baseball

[Stuhoo]

Easy with the personal insults, guys.
Strong opinions are the lifeblood of the message board, personal insults are not.
Thanks

[Old Friend]

1 minute ago, TheWatShot said:

#1, 2 and 3 seem incredibly petulant to me. I'm not worried about someone's desire to recruit. We just need someone who can coach. And I'm not worried about recruiting relationships in our state either, because our next coach couldn't possibly butcher them like Crean did. 

Like I said, you see it different than I do.  Some of the opinions here seem idiotic to me; like people have no idea where they are or why it's important.   That's because I see things differently than you do, and I don't expect you to agree with me.  That said, I don't expect to get attacked, either.  You're entitled to your own opinion, just like I'm entitled to mine.  I don't agree with you.  You don't agree with me.  So?  We need a lot of things.  Not "just" anything.   I'm very worried about relationships in our state because recruiting the east and south hasn't exactly worked out very well.

[Old Friend]

1 minute ago, Brass Cannon said:

My opinion is that Donovan is a proven winner.  I have back to back NCs to support and inform this opinion.  Other evidence is 2 more finals fours.  

All while winning them at a school that cares more about Baseball

And my opinion is that a "proven winner" isn't all we need.  You said before this isn't all you think is important, but you keep coming back to it.   

[Brass Cannon]

4 minutes ago, Old Friend said:

And my opinion is that a "proven winner" isn't all we need.  You said before this isn't all you think is important, but you keep coming back to it.   

He's also not Dirty and a good role model. And while he may not enjoy recruiting he was effective and efficient. 

Those are my criteria. He meets them. 

[mdiu28]

14 minutes ago, Old Friend said:

And my opinion is that a "proven winner" isn't all we need.  You said before this isn't all you think is important, but you keep coming back to it.   

We need a proven winner that also has ties to Indiana - that's the ideal candidate - you're absolutely right. 

Problem is, Brad Stevens is the only real guy that fits that mold and like you said, he's not coming. So, you move on to your second option and Billy Donovan is looking pretty damn good to me. Proven winner, back-to-back national championships. I mean, would you really not be happy with a BD hire? 

I'm honestly not trying to "attack" you rather just curious - who do you want IU to go after? 

[sirhoosierlot]

I think we really need to move past the romantic idea of a "fit" at Indiana.  To me a fit is somebody that can A) Win and B) that's pretty much it.  To compete today, we have to modernize. 

[Baltimore Hoosier]

Donovan would be the best 'somewhat' realistic hire in my opinion.. 4 final fours and 2 national championships already. Played the game very competitively. Has coached at the mid major, major college, and NBA levels. I just don't know if he would want to leave the current gig to come back to college.. 

[AKHoosier]

1 hour ago, Old Friend said:

Keep in mind fellas....Alford at Indiana is a very different hire and coach than Alford at Iowa or anywhere else.  The "fit" matters; and he's been able to consistently recruit Indiana kids no matter where he's been.  Just food for thought, as I know he's not a popular choice.  I don't think his resume matters much.  He'd be FAR better at Indiana than either Miller brother or Billy Donovan; and I simply do not understand the love affair with Donovan.  I know he has a great resume, but he's not (in my mind) a fit at Indiana.   This place is still unique and has its own culture.  He and that culture don't mix..

Wtf.  I pray to God no one in the athletic department thinks like this.

Also, if forcing a priest to bully a rape victim into not pressing charges against a player is part of the "fit" or "culture" here, then I'll go ahead and root for Butler.