Welcome Coach Miller

[Old Friend]

3 minutes ago, Josh said:

Can I get your PM from yesterday about how Donovan will be our coach? Lol...you're so out of touch.

Never said that, dude. Never.   People who think they're the smartest ones in the room....aren't.  Just sayin'   Moving on.

[iubb]

20 minutes ago, Crean'sTheMan said:

He had 6 scholarship players total one year, and still got 24 wins and won a couple tournament games? That's mightily impressive.

We dont need you and your logic here!

[Old Friend]

7 minutes ago, Josh said:

Calling my opinion idiotic isn't name calling??

Who has comprehension issues gocolts?

I called your post idiotic, and it was because you completely missed the point and you didn't give an opinion; so now we need work on reading comprehension and understanding of language.   No.  I did not call you a name even though you're certainly earning it.   Who do you think you're impressing, by the way?  Who do you think cares?  Passive aggressive Josh.   Well I'll be...

[Maynard]

Someone asked me to run some of today's great coaches (not calling Alford great, just relevant) through the coaching metric and compare them to Archie.   Here is what I got.  I did not include tournament success, which greatly helped Izzo and Williams, but hurt all the others.  I excluded it because of the vast differences in the tournament selection process from the late 60's until today.  The number of teams have doubled, automatic and at large bids have greatly changed in ratio as well.

Izzo 78

Roy williams 77.06

Bennett 66.86

Archie  65.59

Keady 65.02

Alford 63.69

Calipari 62.6

Knight 58.88

Coach K 51.98

Self    50.01

Pitino 49.83

One pattern that emerged clearly is that seasons after a job change were always much weaker.  Self and Pitino changed jobs twice.

[woodenshoemanHoosierfan]

For me personally it wasn't the gossip stuff at all. If anything the gossip stuff was way stronger for alford than Donovan.

For me it was Fred Glass' presser in its totality. He set the stage and made some huge claims I didn't think he could back away from. The gossip stuff filled the day to day but it's not what set my expectations.

It was the presser, 100%.




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Here is the rub IMO. Everyone has an interpretation of what FG said. You and others seem to interpret it as only a big name hire, Who has won championships or played in multiple FF's or EE's. This would include all current top coaches entrenched in their schools or in the NBA. I never could see Donavon or Stevens leaving the NBA when their teams are playoff bound. I also could not see SM, TB or any other big name coach leaving their programs. I don't know if this is actually your interpretation, but based on reading your posts,I think I'm close.
Based on reporting of this hire, it seems FG also included other coaches who have turned programs around like AM did at Dayton. The 21 yrs before he took over, Dayton only made the Tournament 4 times. He has brought Dayton to 4 straight.
I really like this hire and think everyone will be very happy. Of course, I could be eating crow in 5 yrs, but I am definitely more excited with this hire than the last one.

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[Brass Cannon]

11 minutes ago, Maynard said:

Someone asked me to run some of today's great coaches (not calling Alford great, just relevant) through the coaching metric and compare them to Archie.   Here is what I got.  I did not include tournament success, which greatly helped Izzo and Williams, but hurt all the others.  I excluded it because of the vast differences in the tournament selection process from the late 60's until today.  The number of teams have doubled, automatic and at large bids have greatly changed in ratio as well.

Izzo 78

Roy williams 77.06

Bennett 66.86

Archie  65.59

Keady 65.02

Alford 63.69

Calipari 62.6

Knight 58.88

Coach K 51.98

Self    50.01

Pitino 49.83

One pattern that emerged clearly is that seasons after a job change were always much weaker.  Self and Pitino changed jobs twice.

Thanks man interesting to see. I am slowing getting optimistic for Archie. 

[Dalton26]

http://www.wdrb.com/story/34998450/bozich-coaches-explain-why-archie-miller-will-succeed-at-indiana-basketball

Pretty good read. How many people know that Archie recruited Darrell Revis?


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[woodenshoemanHoosierfan]

Glass promised us somebody who was proven. That's exactly my point. 
Miller has never built a team top 25 in both offense and defense. 
Bennett has built multiple. Could we really not lure him?  Really?? 

I wanted Tb, but what if he is happy, why move? As I posted earlier, I went from Active Duty to my local Guard unit. I really liked the Mortar Platoon I was in. A yr later, I was asked if I would be interested in a promotion to a Battalion in Chicago to straighten out their Mortar units. I certainly could have taken it to further my career, but I was happy where I was training the people that were like family to me. It's not always about money. So etimes people do what makes them happy

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[woodenshoemanHoosierfan]

We'll be discussing Indiana's hiring of Archie Miller on @BigTenNetwork tonight with @BTNDaveRevsine after NCAA Tourney games.
@jeffrabjohns

In case anyone is interested


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I thought both DeCourcy's and Rabjohns' perspectives were spotted on.

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[Maynard]

Thanks man interesting to see. I am slowing getting optimistic for Archie. 

I think that there are some reasons to be positive. Having Knight pretty much ruined our fan base. He is the greatest college coach ever, and because of his character flaws there was never a shot at a smooth transition. Now many of us are left with expectations that no one could meet. If Miller can hold kids accountable for their mistakes on the floor, instill a tough defense and emphasize decision making on offense he will do fine. He is not what glass advertised, but he deserves a fair chance.

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[Brass Cannon]

Just looked up something I love. People say millers offense looks Creanesque. Well sorta plays at an even faster tempo yet has significantly fewer turnovers. That's very important. 

[Hoosier Guy]

I'm still on cloud 9. This is such a great hire

[Hoosier Guy]

4 hours ago, Brass Cannon said:

Just looked up something I love. People say millers offense looks Creanesque. Well sorta plays at an even faster tempo yet has significantly fewer turnovers. That's very important. 

Yes because Archie actually gets on his players for boneheaded mistakes. That goes a long way

[HooHooHoo22]

Good day to be a Hoosier !


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[Uspshoosier]

From Brian snow
The Indiana Hoosiers filled their coaching position with Archie Miller. Here is a look at what he has done on the recruiting trail in his time as both an assistant and head coach

On Saturday afternoon the Indiana Hoosiers made their men’s basketball coaching hire and they chose Dayton’s Archie Miller. Miller recently completed his sixth season as head coach with his fourth trip consecutive trip to the NCAA Tournament.

Before getting to Dayton, Miller was an assistant coach at Arizona State, Ohio State, and Arizona, so he is more than familiar with the high-major recruiting scene, and has excelled on the recruiting trail throughout his career.
As a head coach he has had two very impressive classes at Dayton. The first was this past graduating senior class in which he battled high-major programs for players such as Scoochie Smith out of New York and Kendall Pollard out of Chicago.
Those two were stalwarts of the Flyers program and each multi-year starters who really played a big role in the success the team had.
Also this incoming success featured going guard McKinley Wright who had multiple high-major offers and shooting guard Jordan Davis from South Carolina who has on the high-major radar. This 2017 class combined with class of 2016 academic redshirt, and four-star prospect Kostas Antetokounmpo were expected to be the heart and soul of the Flyers for the next several years.
As an assistant at Arizona, Miller was instrumental in getting players such as Derrick Williams and Solomon Hill to commit to the program immediately upon getting the job.
Before that at Ohio State, Miller played a significant role in getting Jordan Sibert and Aaron Craft to stay home and attend school in Columbus.
Also Miller has a good relationship with some in Indiana. One of the biggest gets of his career was Fort Wayne native Steve McElvene. McElvene was seen as a tremendous get, and was set to have a great career in Dayton before tragically passing away this off season.
Still Miller developed a good relationship with the coaches of the high powered Spiece Indy Heat program, and he has continued to recruit in the state of Indiana for the past several years.
Overall Miller is seen as somebody with a lot of ability to develop and cultivate relationships. Miller has high-major experience on the recruiting trail, but also knows how hard you have to work as a coach of a non-power league program.
In general this is a coach who is a very good recruiter, and should work hard for Indiana on the trail with a focus on regional recruits, and then spreading nationally to try and land stars.
For people wondering who he recruited at Ohio st and Arizona


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[the possum]

Everyone is so concerned with Miller being able to recruit the elite players. That is not what its about here at Indiana it is about recruiting the right players that fit Indiana. Miller first has to create a culture and then recruit the right players that fit that culture for the program to take flight and the fans to back it. I think it is really very simple at Indiana to gain the fans support. All you have to do is build your program around one simple word (DEFENSE) and don't ever shy away from it and never take it any BS from anyone, that is the HOOSIER way and we embrace it to the fullest. 

On recruiting we want the 4 year guy the 3 star guy who will blossom in the system. We don't need to be Kentucky to win a title that has already been proven here. For every "elite" player you need to have 3 other players that are the heart and sole of the program. Once upon a time we had a coach that understood that and has now been missing for 20 years and in a nut shell that is the problem Indiana has to resolve. Will Coach Miller take that approach? Will he get the best in state talent? How many players from Indiana did he have on his Dayton roster in the last six years? 

I want IU to be great again and I want Coach Archie Miller to be the guy that gets it done, but if he falls into that trap the national media wants him to be in. I will be his loudest critic. Do it the IU way the only way. GO HOOSIERS!

[johnsoniu]

Been pumping Archie for two years, so I guess you could count me in the "good hire" camp.

Followed Dayton religiously for better part of four seasons now. Dude can coach. He makes adjustments, learns from his mistakes, and understands the game. I don't think recruiting will be an issue, he's been around high level college ball for a while and is still young. He's recruited, and landed, 5 stars as a lead recruiter at Arizona.

When you make your list of what you want in a IU coach, and start at the bottom, he just checks boxes off as you work your way up the list. The only one left is high level success at a high major. Opportunity, meet preparation.

Welcome to IU Coach Miller!

Go Hoosiers!

[hoosierbannerd]

Good morning Hoosier basketball junkies!

Just woke up, fed/watered the animals, poured some java and here I am; totally excited about the present and future of IU hoops. Who knows if this high risk/ high reward situation will work out and maybe he wasn't the first choice; but damn- when you have a solid X and O guy that preaches D; how do you, as an IU fan, not get excited or at least have a "cautious optimism?" 

Me? I'm gonna drink the Cream and Crimson kool aid. I just think his mentality; seen in his players on the court, pedigree and fire will pay dividends in getting this program to where we want it. So although it's rainy here in K-town, I for one am seeing the sunshine return to our beloved hoops.

Hey HoosierNation-  It's ****in Miller time!

Edited March 26, 2017 by hoosierbannerd

[Stuhoo]

FYI: seems to me that we are going to be playing Kensucky again, and soon:
http://www.coachcal.com/40156/2016/09/miller-time/

[BlueDevil]

FYI: seems to me that we are going to be playing Kensucky again, and soon:
http://www.coachcal.com/40156/2016/09/miller-time/

Maybe that's why IU dumped the tourney? Who knows.


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