Welcome Coach Miller

[Adillac]

Nice list of candidates honestly. 

[Trish]

10 minutes ago, Walking Boot of Doom said:

The more you repeat that you have a source, the less I believe you. Just saying.

My sources have notified me of your feelings, will note!

 

 

[Walking Boot of Doom]

1 minute ago, mdn82 said:

I know the athletic department gets on every site. But it isn't going to make a difference when they offer a coach and whether or not he takes the job.


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HI FRED! DON'T **** THIS UP!

[AZ Hoosier]

I am worried all this speculation by national media and on message boards could kill the deal with Alford so could you all quit talking about him? Please and thanks

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If talking "Alford to IU" will kill any possibility of it happening, then get me a sign to spin outside Glass' office and sign me up!

#NeverAldord

[tablegrapes]

9 minutes ago, Aaron said:

I have been as anti Alford as anybody but a lot of people seem to want him. Even media guys like Greg Raekstraw, Kent Sterling and Zach Osterman who know college basketball and IU like Alford as the hire (I know 2 of these 3 guys personally and really respect them). I also know people dislike Dakich but he definitely in my mind has IU's best interest at heart and he has championed Alford. All these twitter polls (unscientific) seem to have Alford constantly in the lead.

I still don't want Alford but unlike some of you I am willing to give him a chance. The Pierre Pierce thing worries me and he needs to answer about that but if we can get by that he deserves a chance.

Sometime I think these message boards do not represent the true feeling of the mood of IU fans (if you read them you think Alford is the Grinch but elsewhere he is well liked). 

As I have said the farther Alford goes in the tourney the better because either UCLA will fight hard to keep him if we wins a national championship or a lot of IU fans will feel better about the hire if we still get him (I know I will feel better about the hire if he's got a National Championship or Final Four on the resume).

 

What can Alford say now about the Pierce fiasco that could change anything in that department? Fall on the mercy of the court and say he made big mistakes and has learned from it? Apologize to the people directly affected? That is not going to be part of his homecoming narrative if indeed it happens.

That story is just an inherent part of his baggage now and always will be. If IU hires him, they are hiring him and the baggage. Nothing he can do to change the past.

[AZ Hoosier]

1 hour ago, normandale97 said:

Common sense says it likely going to be Bennett or Alford. My guess is the major donors want Alford. Not sure IU has the ability to pull in a home run hire like a Billy Donovan. Hope I'm wrong. I said when Crean was fired (which I agreed with) that we would have a hard time bringing in someone that is head and shoulders above him. The list of potential replacements is really underwhelming. We missed the boat on Stevens years ago and that is coming back to haunt us. Personally, I cannot stand the style of basketball that Bennett's teams play. It's unwatchable for me. Just personal preference. Ready for football season...


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Interesting take. Most "major donors" have a lot of money that they earned by working hard at their craft/trade. I would also tend to believe that they are intelligent folks who analyze everything to death to make sure their next move is the right move. I cannot see anyone with that kind of intelligence making such a horrible decision and pissing away their financial or political resources.

#NeverAlford

[513HoosierJS]

I'm not discounting a coach that was already knocked out of the NCAA tournament (Miller, Marshall, Collins, etc). I know it was a different AD, but Crean was knocked out of the tournament on March 22nd and wasn't hired at IU until April 1st.

[Cheaney40]

14 minutes ago, Adillac said:

Yep gotta be down to BD, Alford, Marshall, Bennett. 

if it were Marshall, don't you think it'd be done by now?  They've had 3 days to announce after his loss...

[Walking Boot of Doom]

Quote from Crean on locking down in-state recruits:

"Here’s the thing about recruiting, in Indiana or anywhere else: You better know what you’re navigating," he said. “It’s easy to paint with a broad brush, which is something fans do… It’s a business, so I know when a shoe company gets involved, know when a side deal gets cut with the family or a significant person in the family, I know those things. Every recruit is a case study onto itself. I don’t play in a naïve world. I made sure people who need to know know what we were dealing with. You have to have people, and this part moving forward is something I’ll pay attention to, is who’s lived a little bit what we’re dealing with. You’ve got to have somebody who gets it. Walls (around the state) are really hard to put up because it’s a two-way street."

Shocking to many I'm sure, but I'm sure Indiana kids play the games that ruled them out of Crean's recruiting strategies. Maybe locking down the state and doing things the right way don't align like they used to...

[Trish]

No question about it. All these side deals are cut like he said, shoe deals with AAU teams, promises, etc. 

 

It's a nasty world in recruiting. 

[Cheaney40]

Today's Coaching Hot Board (listed in order of probability) according to Peegs .. basically Chris Collins moved up and Donovan fell 3 spots ..... Why is Mike Woodson even on this list?????

1) Steve Alford
2) Tony Bennett
3) Chris Collins
4) Chris Mack
5) Archie Miller
6) Billy Donovan
7) Sean Miller
8) Bryce Drew
9) Chris Holtman
10) Dane Fife
11) Mike Woodson (WTF?)
12) Greg Marshall
13) Mike White

[Demo]

11 minutes ago, tablegrapes said:

What can Alford say now about the Pierce fiasco that could change anything in that department? Fall on the mercy of the court and say he made big mistakes and has learned from it? Apologize to the people directly affected? That is not going to be part of his homecoming narrative if indeed it happens.

That story is just an inherent part of his baggage now and always will be. If IU hires him, they are hiring him and the baggage. Nothing he can do to change the past.

You're right. There's nothing that SA can really do to change the narrative at this point. My problem with it is that defending a rapist, belittling those that disagreed with him, and trying to intimidate the victim, are not examples of poor decision making that can be learned from. They are examples of narcissism. They are examples of a man with a hole in his soul.

[Adillac]

12 minutes ago, Cheaney40 said:

if it were Marshall, don't you think it'd be done by now?  They've had 3 days to announce after his loss...

Yea, you're right. Forgot he got bounced. 

[Cheaney40]

Guys --- I don't mean to worry you but .... well i was looking at the Bloomington airport scheduled departures and (don't shoot the messenger here but ...) well there's a flight headed to Houston today .... that's it ... Kelvin Sampson is the next IUBB coach .... that's a bit surprising  .... 

[tablegrapes]

1 minute ago, Demo said:

You're right. There's nothing that SA can really do to change the narrative at this point. My problem with it is that defending a rapist, belittling those that disagreed with him, and trying to intimidate the victim, are not examples of poor decision making that can be learned from. They are examples of narcissism. They are examples of a man with a hole in his soul.

I agree. But that's the bargain it seems plenty are willing to make. New Mexico made it, UCLA made it. I hope IU won't. Frankly, even if the Pierce thing had never happened he's just proven himself to be a mediocre coach. Not bad, not really good, but good enough to stay in the biz. Settling for that, plus the baggage, would be extremely disappointing.

[CR3AMnCR1MS0N]

Guys --- I don't mean to worry you but .... well i was looking at the Bloomington airport scheduled departures and (don't shoot the messenger here but ...) well there's a flight headed to Houston today .... that's it ... Kelvin Sampson is the next IUBB coach .... that's a bit surprising  .... 

Such a bad idea... It just might work!

Yeah, ******* right!

[IUsafety]

Billy Donovan doesn't like recruiting from what I understand. Would it be be unheard of for a head coach to not recruit, or do very little of it, and let his assistants take care of that? Obviously he would have some input as into who he wants.


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[Travis Scott]

2 minutes ago, IUsafety said:

Billy Donovan doesn't like recruiting from what I understand. Would it be be unheard of for a head coach to not recruit, or do very little of it, and let his assistants take care of that? Obviously he would have some input as into who he wants.


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I believe RMK started doing this in his last few years at IU and the talent level dropped fairly drastically in the program IMO.  The head coach needs to get out there.

[SteelerHoosier]

1 minute ago, Travis Scott said:

I believe RMK started doing this in his last few years at IU and the talent level dropped fairly drastically in the program IMO.  The head coach needs to get out there.

Didn't he start recruiting again though when he realized it didn't work? As in he was out recruiting that group that made the FF. Or am I completely remembering a false story?

[Demo]

7 minutes ago, tablegrapes said:

I agree. But that's the bargain it seems plenty are willing to make. New Mexico made it, UCLA made it. I hope IU won't. Frankly, even if the Pierce thing had never happened he's just proven himself to be a mediocre coach. Not bad, not really good, but good enough to stay in the biz. Settling for that, plus the baggage, would be extremely disappointing.

You're right, and I've never understood those schools, particularly UCLA, compromising themselves for a B- coach. If you're gonna make a deal with the devil, the payoff better be a sure thing. When West Virginia brought in Huggie and his baggage, at least they brought in a legitimately great Coach. Payoff was obvious. Alford? Not even close.