Player and Recruit Retention News/Discussion & Potential Transfers

[ap2345 7,571]

42 minutes ago, drewheck said:

If he was wouldnt the agent come to meet him instead of having him come to LA , if im going to be paying the dude hes going to working on my terms

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Maybe unless TH wants to spend a weekend in L.A. on behalf of the agency flying him out there.

[drewheck 749]

Maybe unless TH wants to spend a weekend in L.A. on behalf of the agency flying him out there.

And miss little 5

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[Stromboli 6,076]

I could definitely see this happening.  Bryant stood up for Crean more than anyone else.  "He's my guy."  Obviously that iconic picture after the loss to UNC last year.  So maybe Crean's firing hit him more than others.

He also came in with a pedigree and expectations that he would not be here long.  He was almost gone last year, and this year was supposed to be his victory tour before getting the big contract to play professionally.  Instead the team sucked, his unheralded classmate OG stole all the draft thunder (with somewhat pedestrian numbers), the fanbase turned on Thomas the way we're prone to do, and the season was flat awful.  

It makes sense that Thomas wants to leave.  

Next year, without him, is going to be rough.  DD is a very talented player, but he's on borrowed time each game until he's in foul trouble.  Clifton isn't ready (IMO), and doesn't want to be in the paint anyway.  So it's going to be putting Juwan and Collin on the opposing team's big, and likely some brand of small ball on offense.  

Not the end of the world, but we are going to have a lot of points to make up, especially if JBJ goes too.

[bigrod 2,848]

20 minutes ago, Stromboli said:

Next year, without him, is going to be rough.  DD is a very talented player, but he's on borrowed time each game until he's in foul trouble.  Clifton isn't ready (IMO), and doesn't want to be in the paint anyway.  So it's going to be putting Juwan and Collin on the opposing team's big, and likely some brand of small ball on offense. 

You would have to think (hope, pray) that a year of experience and some coaching will help with the fouling problem.

I'm with you though - I thought TB would be the first to leave when Crean was fired.

[Josh 12,569]

As has been mentioned, I'd put some decent money on Archie knowing more about the situation than any of us combined. Speculating is fun, but it seems irresponsible to be jumping to conclusions (either way) before this shakes out. Archie knows what's going on.

I agree completely. Archie knows what's going on with scholarships just as Crean did. That's why Archie put himself in this position.

I'm not sure why there's a double standard for many on here (not you specifically hova, I just quoted your post because I agree)

For the record, I never had any problem with Crean's oversignings and I have no problem with Archie doing it either. He knows what he's doing. I'm just annoyed by hypocrisy of many posts here.

[Hoosierfan2017 20,935]

1 minute ago, Josh said:

I agree completely. Archie knows what's going on with scholarships just as Crean did. That's why Archie put himself in this position.

I'm not sure why there's a double standard for many on here (not you specifically hova, I just quoted your post because I agree)

For the record, I never had any problem with Crean's oversignings and I have no problem with Archie doing it either. He knows what he's doing. I'm just annoyed by hypocrisy of many posts here.
 

My problem was with Crean doing it year after year. Archie has only been on the job for a month (side note, it feels like he's been here much longer than that). If Archie does it every year like Crean did then I'll have a problem with it. I just need more evidence at this point. 

[Josh 12,569]

My problem was with Crean doing it year after year. Archie has only been on the job for a month (side note, it feels like he's been here much longer than that). If Archie does it every year like Crean did then I'll have a problem with it. I just need more evidence at this point. 

Curious...what don't you like about it?

[bigrod 2,848]

3 minutes ago, Josh said:

Curious...what don't you like about it?

Ron Patterson could answer that better than anyone here. Probably the "movement" to the end of TCTC in-state recruiting.

[Josh 12,569]

Ron Patterson could answer that better than anyone here. Probably the "movement" to the end of TCTC in-state recruiting.

Didn't Patterson get busted cheating on his admissions exam, so he never officially got admitted into the university? Am I missing something?

[Hoosierfan2017 20,935]

2 minutes ago, Josh said:

Curious...what don't you like about it?

To me it made it seem like he didn't have a good grip on the roster situation and was just winging it. I didn't like how he would force some players out to make room for new ones. Like this past year Crean was looking like he was recruiting a five man class and now we see that finding room for three is hard enough. I think it weighs on guys and negatively impacts them when they see their coach out recruiting over them, and I think it burned some bridges with high school coaches. 

[bigrod 2,848]

4 minutes ago, Josh said:

Didn't Patterson get busted cheating on his admissions exam, so he never officially got admitted into the university? Am I missing something?

You seem very angry, Tom. Is everything alright?

[Tom White 1,435]

1 hour ago, Stromboli said:

Clifton isn't ready (IMO), and doesn't want to be in the paint anyway.

For what it is worth, Bryant wasn't exactly living in the paint either. At least on offense.

[Josh 12,569]

You seem very angry, Tom. Is everything alright?

I'm not Tom, and I'm great! Thanks for asking.

What am I missing from your Ron Patterson scenario?

[Walking Boot of Doom 18,170]

With the new draft rule and the prevalence of transferring, oversigning is a necessary evil as part of managing a roster. I don't think it was a big issue under Crean, and I don't expect it to become an issue under Archie.


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[ElectricBoogaloo 4,307]

20 minutes ago, Josh said:

Curious...what don't you like about it?

Missing on Gary Harris because of the oversign is one very clear reason to dislike it.

[bigrod 2,848]

I'm not Tom, and I'm great! Thanks for asking.

What am I missing from your Ron Patterson scenario?

I'm not sure what you are missing, but I do know there wasn't a scholarship available for him. 13-14=-1


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[Josh 12,569]

I'm not sure what you are missing, but I do know there wasn't a scholarship available for him. 13-14=-1


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Good thing he couldn't get admitted then?

There was a plan in place had he gotten admitted. Same thing Archie is doing now.

[HoosierAloha 30,024]

Ron Patterson, Matt Roth, and several others felt forced out. Ron didn't help himself by his actions but if their was a roster spot I'm sure he would have been on the team. Oversigning forces players out and can create a negative environment. Archie is cleaning something up that Crean was known to do every year. There are many successful programs that can manage their roster without oversigning. I hope this is something Archie is able to do it.

[Josh 12,569]

Ron Patterson, Matt Roth, and several others felt forced out. Ron didn't help himself by his actions but if their was a roster spot I'm sure he would have been on the team. Oversigning forces players out and can create a negative environment. Archie is cleaning something up that Crean was known to do every year. There are many successful programs that can manage their roster without oversigning. I hope this is something Archie is able to do it.

That's fair, although Patterson is a bad example. He made his own bed.

[bigrod 2,848]

5 minutes ago, Josh said:

That's fair, although Patterson is a bad example. He made his own bed.

I had never read about him cheating, but that he didn't "fully qualify". He took summer courses at IU. How did he do that if he wasn't admitted?