Player and Recruit Retention News/Discussion & Potential Transfers

[goonaha 2,973]

5 hours ago, mdn82 said:

Sucks when people have opinions on a message board huh?


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And my opinion was that the take I quoted was very hot. What is your point exactly? My opinion is not allowed to be "I think your opinion is a little over the top"? 

The other funny thing about the "Social media is the worst thing to ever happen" take (other than war, famine, poverty, racism, etc. existing in the world) is that it was delivered on an online message board, which is a type of media on which people interact socially. 

 

[MoyeNeeded 3,073]

Excited about next year's team. Mainly bc we will have Colin and Rojo back. We won't be world beaters but I'm confident that I'll actually enjoy the product on the floor. I may even be able to scale back on my bourbon whiskey consumption. Wishful thinking, I know.

Nothing like a little cocktail with some hoops!

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[woodenshoemanHoosierfan 6,297]

So we can't react to reports any more? What's the point of a forum? Discussion, that's what. Groupthink is a bad thing. Learn to be objective. Discuss topics. Argue. Counter argue. Have fun. The lambasting over an awkward future dinner comment is quite comical.


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Nothing wrong with discussion. Everything wrong with jumping to conclusions like throwing dad under the bus.
There are competing reports. Nothing wrong with discussing whether he should stay or go.

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[The Ola Depot 1,213]

Also worth noting his twitter account is now verified which generally only happens after one officially withdraws from college and is a draft prospect.

Tim Priller is also verified on Twitter. Doesn't really mean anything. If you're even somewhat of a public figure it isn't that hard to get verified.

[Hardwood83 4,775]

17 hours ago, Yogi's Picnic Basket said:

I think Devonte ends up starting regardless. Archie likes having a guard to pressure the ball and set the tempo for his defense. Green is the one that fits that bill.

Green, Newkirk, RoJo, Hartman & Davis start with Juwan the 6th man. CuJo and J Smooth are the other 2 regular minute guys. Clifton & Al get some minutes as well. Just my opinion though.

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You might be right- but I hope not. That is a really short (as in "not tall") rotation and I don't prefer 3 guard line-ups. I'd like to see Newkirk (or Green), Johnson, Hartman, Morgan and Davis starting. God forbid Davis gets banged-up or has persistent foul trouble. He certainly will get tired at some point. Sucks there is no back-up center, I know Moore is tall, but looks really thin and is perimeter oriented. 

I do expect McSwain to play some though. He can compete physically, seems willing and there aren't a lot of other options. 

[Brass Cannon 24,982]

I seriously doubt Morgan doesn't start. 

[CrossboneIU22 1,225]

I'd be surprised if the starting lineup looks like anything other than this:

Newkirk

Rojo

Morgan

Hartman

Davis

Subs with Regular Minutes in order of off the bench (except for foul trouble situations)

Green

Cujo

Moore

McSwain

Smith

Foul Trouble Inserts

Durham

McRoberts

Priller

Mop Up Duty Only

Gelon

Jager

Taylor

 

 

[Hoosierfan2017 22,185]

I think Smith will get a lot of minutes and be one of the first guys off the bench. He has a good frame and we're going to need that length and athleticism. 

[CrossboneIU22 1,225]

For the sake of evening out the rotation though, I would rather Green start and Newkirk be the first off the bench for the second unit as he would provide the offense on the 2nd unit with Cujo.  Green would be a better facilitator for the starting 5 without having to score as he would be on the 2nd unit.

My 2 units would be:

A

1. Green
2. Rojo
3. Morgan
4. Hartman
5. Davis

B

1. Newkirk
2. Cujo
3. Smith
4. McSwain
5. Moore

Now don't get me wrong, I would never do a line change like this as a coach, it would be based off who is playing well, fatigue, foul trouble and flow of the game and a gradual substitution.

 

[CrossboneIU22 1,225]

8 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

I think Smith will get a lot of minutes and be one of the first guys off the bench. He has a good frame and we're going to need that length and athleticism. 

You may very well be right, I don't know a lot about the incoming freshman unfortunately.

[Hoosierfan2017 22,185]

33 minutes ago, CrossboneIU22 said:

You may very well be right, I don't know a lot about the incoming freshman unfortunately.

To me, Durham and Moore seem like guys that won't make much of an impact their freshman year but could develop into good players later on.

I think Smith can come in and make an impact right away though. At 6'7 and 210-215 he's ready physically, and in his tapes he looks really athletic. I can see him getting 18-20 minutes a game, maybe more depending on how Archie subs. We don't really have a post player outside of Davis but I think we can kind of offset that by having a bigger wing like Smith get a lot of minutes. 

[RaceToTheTop 26,947]

I love De'ron Davis, but he averaged 7 fouls per 40 minutes played last year....given foul problems and rest that big players need, I can't see him averaging North of 24 minutes per game next year.

[HoosierAloha 30,077]

I love De'ron Davis, but he averaged 7 fouls per 40 minutes played last year....given foul problems and rest that big players need, I can't see him averaging North of 24 minutes per game next year.

I could see him playing around 28. The foul problem was a combination of fatigue, inexperience, and defensive philosophy. He will be in better shape, he'll have a season and summer under his belt, and a different defensive system under Archie.

[The Ola Depot 1,213]

For the sake of evening out the rotation though, I would rather Green start and Newkirk be the first off the bench for the second unit as he would provide the offense on the 2nd unit with Cujo.  Green would be a better facilitator for the starting 5 without having to score as he would be on the 2nd unit.
My 2 units would be:
A

1. Green
2. Rojo
3. Morgan
4. Hartman
5. Davis

B

1. Newkirk
2. Cujo
3. Smith
4. McSwain
5. Moore

Now don't get me wrong, I would never do a line change like this as a coach, it would be based off who is playing well, fatigue, foul trouble and flow of the game and a gradual substitution.
 

You mean when a player is playing well you wouldn't take him out?

[Josh 12,747]

Archie took a team with 6"6 post players to the Elite 8. He will figure out how to use guys like Mcswain. Plus, Priller may be able to be used next year.

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I'm sorry, but I'm really tired of hearing that stat used as any proof of future promise.

[LIHoosier 26,805]

23 minutes ago, Josh said:

I'm sorry, but I'm really tired of hearing that stat used as any proof of future promise.

Taking a bunch of smalls to the Elite 8 > Missing the NCAA's with multiple Burger Boys (2x)

[WayneFleekHoosier 49,014]

We are going to find out recruiting potential here within the next year. That will tell me if this staff can get it done or not. 5 open spots. Positions of need. Should be a top 10 class based on size and need and in state talent.


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[Josh 12,747]

10 minutes ago, LIHoosier said:

Taking a bunch of smalls to the Elite 8 > Missing the NCAA's with multiple Burger Boys (2x)

Absolutely it does.  But that's comparing Miller to the lowest common denominator.  That low denominator also had a good year, taking an unhearalded team to the Final Four.  That actually > Archie's Elite 8.

 

Yes I'm an Archie skeptic.  I don't think one good run = promise for future success.  I've heard that before with the Crean hire.  I'm hoping for the best but am also not as optimistic as some.  Maybe that leads me to dismiss some of the things that get others excited.  My expectations based upon results are not high, but I'm hopeful.

[LIHoosier 26,805]

2 minutes ago, Josh said:

Absolutely it does.  But that's comparing Miller to the lowest common denominator.  That low denominator also had a good year, taking an unhearalded team to the Final Four.  That actually > Archie's Elite 8.

Yes I'm an Archie skeptic.  I don't think one good run = promise for future success.  I've heard that before with the Crean hire.  I'm hoping for the best but am also not as optimistic as some.  Maybe that leads me to dismiss some of the things that get others excited.  My expectations based upon results are not high, but I'm hopeful.

Understandable. What I take is that he doesn't quell on the excuses he could've used and make the best of what he has available. Hell, he won the A-10 last year after a member of their team DIED. Crean may've held a 6 month vigil and forfeited the season if God forbid something that tragic happened to anyone on IU's roster. Like Fleek has just posted, the next recruiting class will be very telling as to his long term future at IU. This year with a decent but not great roster he can flex his muscles and adaptability as a coach. He and his staff's ability to recruit 'inside-out' will determine his and hopefully IU's greater ability from 18-19 and beyond.

[Brass Cannon 24,982]

Dwayne Wades team was unheralded?  Talk about revisionist history