Player and Recruit Retention News/Discussion & Potential Transfers

[mdn82]

 
I like Thomas Bryant. However, he came to IU as a pretty immature kid.

• He played at IU during a time period when the head coach had a manic, quirky personality. I can see how that was someone Thomas could relate to during his recruitment, but it did him no favors.
• With Yogi, Max, and Z leading the team his freshman year, he seemed to mature substantially during the season, and his improved play reflected that.
• During his second season, without Yogi, Max, and Zeis, he was asked by the manic, quirky head coach to be one of the team's leaders. It. Did. Not. Go. Well.

 

Absolutely. I am not saying he is a bad kid, but he knows very little about mental toughness. I don't feel I am bashing him. Hell I was probably less mature than him at that age. His actions on the court will be hard to justify if a GM questioned that statement.


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[RaceToTheTop]

2 hours ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

No doubt Crean, Thomas, Blackmon can go on towards success. I hope for it and expect it.

Doesn't change a wasted college basketball season from a fan's perspective (except it was bad enough to CAN Crean-so it was worth it in the long run).

The Codys and Victors are more rooted for than the Vonlehs and Blackmon's.

It comes down to winning and investing into IUBB wholeheartedly before, during, and after.



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Edited May 12, 2017 by brumdog45
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[RaceToTheTop]

A lot of people seem to be conveniently removing Bryant's freshman year when IU DID win.....Big Ten title, 27-8 record.  And talent wise that team didn't match up with the IU teams of Oladipo's sophomore and junior years which had two lottery picks.

did Bryant whine about calls?  Sure.  To my knowledge it never cost the team.....I don't remember a single tech he had and any defensive issues he had weren't in getting back.  I don't recall him saying anything negative in the press.  

I'll take an immature attitude that cares about winning over a complacent one any day.  

[JSHoosier]

9 minutes ago, brumdog45 said:

A lot of people seem to be conveniently removing Bryant's freshman year when IU DID win.....Big Ten title, 27-8 record.  And talent wise that team didn't match up with the IU teams of Oladipo's sophomore and junior years which had two lottery picks.

did Bryant whine about calls?  Sure.  To my knowledge it never cost the team.....I don't remember a single tech he had and any defensive issues he had weren't in getting back.  I don't recall him saying anything negative in the press.  

I'll take an immature attitude that cares about winning over a complacent one any day.  

Actually, he did get a technical in a freshman year.  He got whistled for showboating after a dunk against a cupcake.

[bigrod]

I am sure nobody on this board failed at something aged 19. And I'm positive none of you look back on any failures in your life as a learning experience that eventually made you a better person.

Apples and oranges. Failing and getting back up, dusting yourself off with a determination to succeed, and then actually succeeding is way different than coming in tenth place and talking about how tough you are.  Hopefully he figures that out.

 

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[Hoosierfan2017]

I thought we were supposed to hear about Rojo this week. 

[goonaha]

So you believe that season made him mentally tough? The same kid that would kick and scream like a 4 year old not getting an ice cream cone if everything didn't go perfect. I doubt very strongly if he learned much about mental toughness this last season.


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Like I already said, facing adversity and failure is a learning experience for people. Or at least should be. And I believe that's what he was saying.



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[mdn82]

 

Like I already said, facing adversity and failure is a learning experience for people. Or at least should be. And I believe that's what he was saying.

 

 

 

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Like I already said I disagree. If you truly learn from something you grow from it and take steps to improve. He did 0 of that all year. It's easier to talk about it than be about it.

 

 

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17 minutes ago, mdn82 said:

Like I already said I disagree. If you truly learn from something you grow from it and take steps to improve. He did 0 of that all year. It's easier to talk about it than be about it.

 

 

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Last I looked, basketball wasn't a one player game.  During the last 14 games when things really went south (IU went from being 14-6 to 18-16), Bryant's numbers went up.

[Hoosierfan2017]

I know y'all are probably sick and tired of my social media updates by now lol, but Devonte and his fam are visiting his brother in San Antonio and he posted something on snapchat about taking his brother's dog "back to Indy" with him, so I see that as confirmation that he'll be back.. Not that there was really any question about it anyway, but yeah. 

He was also at the Spurs' facility today which is pretty cool.

[mdn82]

Last I looked, basketball wasn't a one player game.  During the last 14 games when things really went south (IU went from being 14-6 to 18-16), Bryant's numbers went up.

Ok?


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[goonaha]

Like I already said I disagree. If you truly learn from something you grow from it and take steps to improve. He did 0 of that all year. It's easier to talk about it than be about it.
 
 
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Obviously you disagree since you quoted me. But thanks for letting me know explicitly.

Unfortunately, Thomas can't go back and change how the season went. Hence, he's trying to use that poor season as a learning opportunity and take some positive out of it. That's how life works in general, which was my original point. I don't get why this is such a bad thing or why it should incite another body language referendum.


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[mdn82]

Obviously you disagree since you quoted me. But thanks for letting me know explicitly.

 

Unfortunately, Thomas can't go back and change how the season went. Hence, he's trying to use that poor season as a learning opportunity and take some positive out of it. That's how life works in general, which was my original point. I don't get why this is such a bad thing or why it should incite another body language referendum.

 

 

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No problem. I assumed you didn't gather what pretty much everyone else is saying and I still don't. As you said how life works in general. That was the point of everyone. One of the larger questions he will have beyond his athleticism is his attitude. If he didn't change said attitude over two years, how could it possibly have done 180 since he declared? My guess is his maturity on the court is a question and he wanted to jump on that before it started. Again it is one thing to know what you need to from that regard. It is another to actually do something different. Much like every other athlete or person in general that says they learned something. You have to prove it and I will maintain very heavy skepticism until proven otherwise.

 

 

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[BGleas]

Since when did Thomas Bryant have a bad attitude? So he complains about some fouls? Who cares? The kid gives his all on the court and plays with emotion. Outside of Yogi, he's the biggest reason IU won the league title and went to the sweet sixteen two years ago. 

I'd rather have a kid that you need to try and reign in, than have one you have to try and get to play hard. 

[mdn82]

Since when did Thomas Bryant have a bad attitude? So he complains about some fouls? Who cares? The kid gives his all on the court and plays with emotion. Outside of Yogi, he's the biggest reason IU won the league title and went to the sweet sixteen two years ago. 
I'd rather have a kid that you need to try and reign in, than have one you have to try and get to play hard. 

That is fair. We will have to see if he can be.


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[Dalton26]

Since when did Thomas Bryant have a bad attitude? So he complains about some fouls? Who cares? The kid gives his all on the court and plays with emotion. Outside of Yogi, he's the biggest reason IU won the league title and went to the sweet sixteen two years ago. 
I'd rather have a kid that you need to try and reign in, than have one you have to try and get to play hard. 

Agreed. Most loved his passion when we were winning but after a bad season people want to do nothing but talk bad about the kid. Seems to be a trend on here and other IU sites with players that are leaving lately.

[Brass Cannon]

Also jump on the get off TBs back bandwagon. Kid played his heart out for us. Not his fault his coach was clueless which left him ineffective at time. 

Kid cared enough to cry after the loss to UNC

[RaceToTheTop]

3 hours ago, mdn82 said:

Ok?


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Your statements about Bryant intimated that he didn't overcome obstacles and that he hadn't learned anything.  He was playing decent basketball at the end of the season.  Just because the team was not doesn't disguise that.

[mdn82]

Agreed. Most loved his passion when we were winning but after a bad season people want to do nothing but talk bad about the kid. Seems to be a trend on here and other IU sites with players that are leaving lately.

Eh I wasn't a fan of the complaining or whining on every call. I was vocal on that during the game threads. That was part of the culture I didn't like. Do I think kids should never complain? No, but every time a call goes against you drains your teammates and gives the refs an invitation to start making calls on you to prove a point. I wish him nothing but the best but this discussion was started by a quote he made. Onwards and upwards.


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[mdn82]

Your statements about Bryant intimated that he didn't overcome obstacles and that he hadn't learned anything.  He was playing decent basketball at the end of the season.  Just because the team was not doesn't disguise that.

I never once discussed his play or stats. This discussion had nothing to do with numbers.


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