Player and Recruit Retention News/Discussion & Potential Transfers

[schoosier]

10 hours ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

Wouldn't bet on it.  MSB is living the dream of his life and I think he's more than content to sit at the end of the bench in his candystripes and be a Hoosier.  His exuberance on the bench is something I really enjoy and I'm looking forward to his senior speech next year.  And IMO there's zero chance he gets 'Creaned'.  The scholarship problem will be resolved but it won't involve MSB.

I believe this and actually thought he may be serviceable as a throw back Sloan, or the last Plumlee. The one game he set solid screens which we will be using properly now and he could hatchet his way to 4 fouls in 4 minutes. I can see RJ and JB leaving and hopefully TB stays.

[Hoosier Guy]

I love how my posts always get deleted. But I'll talk about the recruits then maybe it won't be this time. I think all three recruits have potential. Personally, I'm glad all three are back

[Str8Hoosiers]

2 hours ago, DChoosier said:

Believe it is only two since OG is gone.

Have to think that at least one will be gone between TB, JBJ and ROJO.

That just leaves one more between Priller, Galon or perhaps someone that does not think there are many available minutes in their future.  I think that this will work itself out fairly easily.

Technically 3 have to give up their scholarships... Including OG who is giving his up for the opportunity to go Pro... 

Comment was mostly said in jest as Recker had just said nobody is giving up their scholarship without adding any context so my reply that 3 are is technically true but sounds much different without context such as the OG context above.

[Josh]

I can't believe that someone as prepared as Coach Miller is reputed to be hasn't worked out the various scenarios and their solutions. He may not know precisely how this will play out but I'm confident he knows what he will do in each possible situation.

Yes, which is exactly how Crean handled these oversignings too. Now that Archie has accepted all 3 recruits, it looks like he is wanting to play the same as Crean.

[Brass Cannon]

15 minutes ago, Josh said:

Yes, which is exactly how Crean handled these oversignings too. Now that Archie has accepted all 3 recruits, it looks like he is wanting to play the same as Crean.

No he was forced in a bad situation and is doing the best he can.  Look for us to not use all available scholarships next year

[Josh]

No he was forced in a bad situation and is doing the best he can.  Look for us to not use all available scholarships next year

Really? Two of the three recruits wanted out. By talking them back into signing, he put himself into the situation. You can't blame Crean for Miller's actions there.

 

[WayneFleekHoosier]

Really? Two of the three recruits wanted out. By talking them back into signing, he put himself into the situation. You can't blame Crean for his actions there.

I'm still expecting the three spots to be OG, TB, and JB.

In that case he did what he needed to do. If someone gets Creaned for 1 of these 3 newcomers I'll be surprised, but if so, I imagine they know and expect the circumstances.


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[Josh]

I'm still expecting the three spots to be OG, TB, and JB.

In that case he did what he needed to do. If someone gets Creaned for 1 of these 3 newcomers I'll be surprised, but if so, I imagine they know and expect the circumstances.


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That's fine, and the same way Crean ran things. I don't understand how Crean got crucified for it but Miller gets praised for it

[Uspshoosier]

Really? Two of the three recruits wanted out. By talking them back into signing, he put himself into the situation. You can't blame Crean for his actions there.

I wouldn't call it wanting out more of wanting all options on deck until they met the new coach which is understandable to do. In interviews I saw with scouts they all said no way was Al ever going to leave IU.


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[Josh]

I wouldn't call it wanting out more of wanting all options on deck until they met the new coach which is understandable to do. In interviews I saw with scouts they all said no way was Al ever going to leave IU.


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Two of them requested out. Everything I've read used that phrase. Miller talked them into staying, putting himself into this oversign situation.

[ramadden13]

5 minutes ago, Josh said:

That's fine, and the same way Crean ran things. I don't understand how Crean got crucified for it but Miller gets praised for it

Because there's a difference between putting yourself in a bad situation and having to handle a bad situation someone else put you in? You can try (unsuccessfully I think) to argue that Miller bears some culpability for something that could but isn't guaranteed to happen (this is so silly). But there is a difference between continually constructing your roster in such a way and having to make the best of someone else's roster construction philosophy. Your view is really simplistic and lacks nuance and understanding, either willfully or ignorantly.

[Uspshoosier]

Just now, Josh said:

Two of them requested out. Everything I've read used that phrase. Miller talked them into staying, putting himself into this oversign situation.

You should probably listen to Al himself talk about it on the various podcast that he did after he recommitted.  I will go by what he had to say on the matter then how other writers phrased it.   

[Brass Cannon]

9 minutes ago, Josh said:

Really? Two of the three recruits wanted out. By talking them back into signing, he put himself into the situation. You can't blame Crean for Miller's actions there.

 

Yeah a new coach cant start his tenure with only 1 incoming recruit because his predecessor was a screw up. Miller needs to bring in players this year so they can get experience after a mass exodus after the upcoming season. 

[Josh]

Because there's a difference between putting yourself in a bad situation and having to handle a bad situation someone else put you in? You can try (unsuccessfully I think) to argue that Miller bears some culpability for something that could but isn't guaranteed to happen (this is so silly). But there is a difference between continually constructing your roster in such a way and having to make the best of someone else's roster construction philosophy. Your view is really simplistic and lacks nuance and understanding, either willfully or ignorantly.

Thanks, I think yours does too. Miller didn't let two recruits out of the scholarships that they wanted out of, putting himself in the oversign position.

[ramadden13]

Thanks, I think yours does too. Miller didn't let two recruits out of the scholarships that they wanted out of, putting himself in the oversign position.

I'm starting to think its willful because that's at best incredibly misleading. They would have been released if they desired it after meeting with CAM. At least state true things. You don't have to make things up lol.


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[NCHoosier]

Thanks, I think yours does too. Miller didn't let two recruits out of the scholarships that they wanted out of, putting himself in the oversign position.

How about we wait until we see what happens before making assumptions. These things always work themselves out and it doesn't appear that Arch is pushing anyone out the door.


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[Hoosierfan2017]

Archie doesn't know what JBJ and TB are going to do. If he didn't try to get all 3 recruits to stay he could've been in a position where he loses OG, James and Tom, and then loses the 3 recruits too. He would be filling the rest of the roster out with table scraps. Sure, he put himself in the oversign position, but he was doing the best he could in a bad situation. It's nothing like what Crean did. 

[JaybobHoosier]

Thanks, I think yours does too. Miller didn't let two recruits out of the scholarships that they wanted out of, putting himself in the oversign position.

 

Miller did the right thing recruiting the commits. While Crean recruited them, they committed to IU. While Miller may have to tell a few current scholarship players to take a hike, but his first job was to keep everything together, and he did that. To compare him to Crean is ridiculous. The worst thing he could have done is come in and tell people they weren't good enough (meaning recruits and current players). That would have sent multiple players packing that he really needed to stay if he sent that message.

 

He did the right thing, and there's no debating that!

 

 

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[WayneFleekHoosier]

Archie doesn't know what JBJ and TB are going to do. If he didn't try to get all 3 recruits to stay he could've been in a position where he loses OG, James and Tom, and then loses the 3 recruits too. He would be filling the rest of the roster out with table scraps. Sure, he put himself in the oversign position, but he was doing the best he could in a bad situation. It's nothing like what Crean did. 

My only disagreement is he may well know what JB and TB are going to do. Or have a VERY educated guess.


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[Hoosierfan2017]

14 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

My only disagreement is he may well know what JB and TB are going to do. Or have a VERY educated guess.


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Yeah that's true, I imagine he has a pretty good read on the situation. His actions make it seem like he's expecting us to lose both. I'm guessing in a few weeks they'll keep their names in the draft and our roster problems will be solved.