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Player and Recruit Retention News/Discussion & Potential Transfers

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moyemayhem    1,443

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18 minutes ago, drock161 said:

 


I (and many people I think) agree. But it would difficult to pull off. The rule that says they need to be 19 to be in the draft is an NBA rule, right? And the NCAA would have to make the 3 year rule.
The NCAA can't change the draft rules and the NBA can't make college requirements. If they'd work together it'd be great but I don't know if it would happen.

 

The NBA is the only organization that determines the rules for eligibility that would be necessary for an athlete to enter their draft. They can set the age at 18, 19, 20, or 25 if they wanted (assuming they got past any lawsuits that were filed). The NCAA has no say in the matter, and could never make a rule that prohibits a student from leaving college and working professionally for another organization.

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drock161    586

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The NBA is the only organization that determines the rules for eligibility that would be necessary for an athlete to enter their draft. They can set the age at 18, 19, 20, or 25 if they wanted (assuming they got past any lawsuits that were filed). The NCAA has no say in the matter, and could never make a rule that prohibits a student from leaving college and working professionally for another organization.


Interesting. I thought the NCAA would have some say in how athletic scholarships can be given in terms of eligibility but I guess not.

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Hoosier Guy    7,949

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3 hours ago, Woodson1980 said:

I wish they would let kids go straight out of highschool or make them play 3.Just my opinion but really think the one and done thing has hurt the college game.

Completely agree. They do that with college football and college baseball. A player has to be in college for at least 3 years until he is eligible for the NFL and MLB drafts. I've never understood why college basketball doesn't do the same

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Dalton26    17,029

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6 minutes ago, Hoosier Guy said:

Completely agree. They do that with college football and college baseball. A player has to be in college for at least 3 years until he is eligible for the NFL and MLB drafts. I've never understood why college basketball doesn't do the same

I like the MLB's rules better than the NFL. You can go pro straight out of HS in MLB, 4 year college you have to complete your JR or Sr year, and JUCO players can leave at anytime. I think that would be the perfect rule for the NBA.

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RaceToTheTop    28,418

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Personally, I think that players should be allowed to turn pro right out of high school and leave college at any time they want to turn pro as well.  Ultimately, it shouldn't be what is best for the fans.  Players should be able to make their own decisions. 

If someone offered you a dream job after your freshman of college in the major you were going into and the employer didn't care about the lack of degree, then I think no one would argue with you doing so....yet we want to keep players from doing so when ultimately the degree is meaningless to the actual thing they are wanting to turn professional in?

You don't have to agree with the decision of a player to leave to agree that they should have the right to do so.

 

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Jeff_Boy_Ardee    1,311

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I doubt any feedback they get from this will be much different than they received from their prior coach. If not, their prior coach was doing a really poor job.

This whole "test the waters" thing needs to go away. It's not good for college bball.



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HoosierTrav    8,086

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I doubt any feedback they get from this will be much different than they received from their prior coach. If not, their prior coach was doing a really poor job.

This whole "test the waters" thing needs to go away. It's not good for college bball.



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Do you take a college advisors word, in regards to what will best prepare you for a potential job, or an owner/executive of the actual company you may be working for? Asking for a friend.
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HoosierTrav    8,086

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Personally, I think that players should be allowed to turn pro right out of high school and leave college at any time they want to turn pro as well.  Ultimately, it shouldn't be what is best for the fans.  Players should be able to make their own decisions. 
If someone offered you a dream job after your freshman of college in the major you were going into and the employer didn't care about the lack of degree, then I think no one would argue with you doing so....yet we want to keep players from doing so when ultimately the degree is meaningless to the actual thing they are wanting to turn professional in?
You don't have to agree with the decision of a player to leave to agree that they should have the right to do so.
 


I completely agree.

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Hoosierfan2017    23,253

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6 minutes ago, brumdog45 said:

Personally, I think that players should be allowed to turn pro right out of high school and leave college at any time they want to turn pro as well.  Ultimately, it shouldn't be what is best for the fans.  Players should be able to make their own decisions. 

If someone offered you a dream job after your freshman of college in the major you were going into and the employer didn't care about the lack of degree, then I think no one would argue with you doing so....yet we want to keep players from doing so when ultimately the degree is meaningless to the actual thing they are wanting to turn professional in?

You don't have to agree with the decision of a player to leave to agree that they should have the right to do so.

 

Their dream job is with the NBA and the NBA can decide what qualifications a player has to have to be hired, just like any other employer. Right now they've decided that players have to be out of high school for a year to be eligible to play in their league. I don't necessarily agree with it, but the NBA definitely has the right to make that rule. 

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CrossboneIU22    1,447

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1 hour ago, Schreckbagger said:

 


That's what I've been saying....And force the NBA to establish their own minor league system other than the NCAA.

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Actually agreeing with you on this point  but to further expand on this point:

The NBA has the D-League 

What needs to happen but won't, is something like this:

  1. General Rules regarding D League formation.
    1. Give a D League Team to each NBA Team
    2. Rosters
      1. NBA team is allowed 15 spots, 12 or 13 active (whatever current rule is)
      2. NBADL team is allowed 15 spots, 15 active for games
      3. NBADL cannot exceed 5 NBA contract players (unless due to injury)
      4. Organization is allowed 3 injury designations that does not factor in to the 30 organization spots available.
    3. Put each of these teams in a thriving market with no NBA team and relatively close geographically.
    4. 62 Game Schedule (Play every team outside division 2 times and teams in division 3 times)
    5. Take the revenue from the NBADL team and supplement the team with the NBA revenue from the players side of profit since this is primarily for player development and players.
    6. Standard NBADL contract salary is $250,000 (excluding rookie contracts)
  2. General Draft Rule Changes:
    1. Add 3rd round to NBA Draft  (Logistically, may need a 4th round as well?)
    2. Get rid of the stashing draft rights to overseas players.  They either come and play that season, or go back into draft pool for following year and cannot sign with a team without being drafted or failing to be drafted after two drafts.
    3. 1st Round Gauranteed NBA Rookie Contract
  3. NBADL Rookie Contracts and Player Eligibility (All rookie contracts end with Restricted Free Agent status)
    1. Out of High School with High School Diploma
      1. Enter Draft
        1. If selected in 1st round, NBA teams must sign them to NBA Contract.
        2. If selected in 2nd round, may be signed to NBA or NBADL contract.
        3. If selected in 3rd round, must sign NBADL contract. (This becomes 4th round if 4th round is neccesary)
          1. NBA Contract
            1. Normal NBA Rookie Player Rules
          2. TNBADL Contract
            1. $50,000/yr
            2. 3 year deal with team option after each year
            3. 1 year mandatory NBADL period before being able to be called up to the NBA roster.
    2. College 1 year Experience
      1. Not eligible to enter draft.
    3. College 2 years Experience
      1. Not eligible to enter draft.
      2. May be invited to Sophmore Prospects camp (similar to a Combine type event) to get feedback from actual teams/scouts.
    4. College 3 years Experience (If player earns degree in 3 years, see #5 below)
      1. Can Declare for Draft without an Agent and return or enter draft. If agent hired, cannot return
      2. No restrictions on what contract can be signed outside of normal draft contract rules.
      3. If signed to NBA contract, normal NBA player.
      4. If signed to NBADL contract:
        1. $100,000/yr
        2. 3 year deal with team option after final year
        3. 1 Month mandatory transition period 
    5. College 4+ years Experience or College Degree (Exclueds 2 year college degrees)
      1. Eligible to enter draft
      2. No restrictions on what contract can be signed outside of normal draft contract rules. 
      3. If signed to NBA contract, normal NBA player.
      4. If signed to NBADL contract:
        1. $250,000/yr
        2. 3 year guaranteed deal with player option after final year.
        3. No mandatory waiting period to be called up to NBA
  4. NBADL/NBA Movement Rules (Similar to Baseball's rules for this, assume baseball rule unless noted below)
    1. Call Ups
      1. Rookie Contracts - Eligibility and rules listed above. 
      2. NBADL Regular Contracts - No restriction.
      3. Contracts:
        1. NBA/NBADL Rookie Contracts - Contract does not change unless waived.
        2. NBADL Regular Contract
          1. May be offered NBA contract at any time.
          2. If remaining on main roster for start of next season, must be signed to NBA contract or sent back to NBADL
        3. NBA Regular Contract - No changes to NBA contract.
    2. Send Down
      1. A player may be sent down for any reason.
      2. Max of 3 times per consecutive time with organization, player then must be waived or rookie contract ends.
      3. Contracts;
        1. NBA/NBADL Rookie Contract - Contract does not change unless waived or not resigned.
        2. NBADL Regular Contract - Contract does not change unless signed to NBA Contract, waived or not resigned.
        3. NBA Regular Contract
          1. Player may remain on NBA contract if sent down under any of these conditions:
            1. If due to injury/rehab assignment.  
              1. Cannot exceed 5 games or 14 days.
              2. Player must miss 5 consecutive games to be eligible for rehab assignment
            2. If max NBA contracts is not exceeded.
            3. Duration cannot exceed into start of next season (unless due to injury)
            4. If conditions above are not met, player must be kept on main roster or waived.

 

Sorry so long but it just all started spewing out after starting to type.

Thanks for anyone who actually read through it all.

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Dalton26    17,029

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4 minutes ago, CrossboneIU22 said:

Actually agreeing with you on this point  but to further expand on this point:

The NBA has the D-League 

What needs to happen but won't, is something like this:

  1. General Rules regarding D League formation.
    1. Give a D League Team to each NBA Team
    2. Rosters
      1. NBA team is allowed 15 spots, 12 or 13 active (whatever current rule is)
      2. NBADL team is allowed 15 spots, 15 active for games
      3. NBADL cannot exceed 5 NBA contract players (unless due to injury)
      4. Organization is allowed 3 injury designations that does not factor in to the 30 organization spots available.
    3. Put each of these teams in a thriving market with no NBA team and relatively close geographically.
    4. 62 Game Schedule (Play every team outside division 2 times and teams in division 3 times)
    5. Take the revenue from the NBADL team and supplement the team with the NBA revenue from the players side of profit since this is primarily for player development and players.
    6. Standard NBADL contract salary is $250,000 (excluding rookie contracts)
  2. General Draft Rule Changes:
    1. Add 3rd round to NBA Draft  (Logistically, may need a 4th round as well?)
    2. Get rid of the stashing draft rights to overseas players.  They either come and play that season, or go back into draft pool for following year and cannot sign with a team without being drafted or failing to be drafted after two drafts.
    3. 1st Round Gauranteed NBA Rookie Contract
  3. NBADL Rookie Contracts and Player Eligibility (All rookie contracts end with Restricted Free Agent status)
    1. Out of High School with High School Diploma
      1. Enter Draft
        1. If selected in 1st round, NBA teams must sign them to NBA Contract.
        2. If selected in 2nd round, may be signed to NBA or NBADL contract.
        3. If selected in 3rd round, must sign NBADL contract. (This becomes 4th round if 4th round is neccesary)
          1. NBA Contract
            1. Normal NBA Rookie Player Rules
          2. TNBADL Contract
            1. $50,000/yr
            2. 3 year deal with team option after each year
            3. 1 year mandatory NBADL period before being able to be called up to the NBA roster.
    2. College 1 year Experience
      1. Not eligible to enter draft.
    3. College 2 years Experience
      1. Not eligible to enter draft.
      2. May be invited to Sophmore Prospects camp (similar to a Combine type event) to get feedback from actual teams/scouts.
    4. College 3 years Experience (If player earns degree in 3 years, see #5 below)
      1. Can Declare for Draft without an Agent and return or enter draft. If agent hired, cannot return
      2. No restrictions on what contract can be signed outside of normal draft contract rules.
      3. If signed to NBA contract, normal NBA player.
      4. If signed to NBADL contract:
        1. $100,000/yr
        2. 3 year deal with team option after final year
        3. 1 Month mandatory transition period 
    5. College 4+ years Experience or College Degree (Exclueds 2 year college degrees)
      1. Eligible to enter draft
      2. No restrictions on what contract can be signed outside of normal draft contract rules. 
      3. If signed to NBA contract, normal NBA player.
      4. If signed to NBADL contract:
        1. $250,000/yr
        2. 3 year guaranteed deal with player option after final year.
        3. No mandatory waiting period to be called up to NBA
  4. NBADL/NBA Movement Rules (Similar to Baseball's rules for this, assume baseball rule unless noted below)
    1. Call Ups
      1. Rookie Contracts - Eligibility and rules listed above. 
      2. NBADL Regular Contracts - No restriction.
      3. Contracts:
        1. NBA/NBADL Rookie Contracts - Contract does not change unless waived.
        2. NBADL Regular Contract
          1. May be offered NBA contract at any time.
          2. If remaining on main roster for start of next season, must be signed to NBA contract or sent back to NBADL
        3. NBA Regular Contract - No changes to NBA contract.
    2. Send Down
      1. A player may be sent down for any reason.
      2. Max of 3 times per consecutive time with organization, player then must be waived or rookie contract ends.
      3. Contracts;
        1. NBA/NBADL Rookie Contract - Contract does not change unless waived or not resigned.
        2. NBADL Regular Contract - Contract does not change unless signed to NBA Contract, waived or not resigned.
        3. NBA Regular Contract
          1. Player may remain on NBA contract if sent down under any of these conditions:
            1. If due to injury/rehab assignment.  
              1. Cannot exceed 5 games or 14 days.
              2. Player must miss 5 consecutive games to be eligible for rehab assignment
            2. If max NBA contracts is not exceeded.
            3. Duration cannot exceed into start of next season (unless due to injury)
            4. If conditions above are not met, player must be kept on main roster or waived.

 

Sorry so long but it just all started spewing out after starting to type.

Thanks for anyone who actually read through it all.

I actually really like the idea of the more years you have in college the more your minimum is

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CrossboneIU22    1,447

CrossboneIU22
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Actually agreeing with you on this point  but to further expand on this point:
The NBA has the D-League 
What needs to happen but won't, is something like this:
  1. General Rules regarding D League formation.
    1. Give a D League Team to each NBA Team
    2. Rosters
      1. NBA team is allowed 15 spots, 12 or 13 active (whatever current rule is)
      2. NBADL team is allowed 15 spots, 15 active for games
      3. NBADL cannot exceed 5 NBA contract players (unless due to injury)
      4. Organization is allowed 3 injury designations that does not factor in to the 30 organization spots available.
    3. Put each of these teams in a thriving market with no NBA team and relatively close geographically.
    4. 62 Game Schedule (Play every team outside division 2 times and teams in division 3 times)
    5. Take the revenue from the NBADL team and supplement the team with the NBA revenue from the players side of profit since this is primarily for player development and players.
    6. Standard NBADL contract salary is $250,000 (excluding rookie contracts)
  2. General Draft Rule Changes:
    1. Add 3rd round to NBA Draft  (Logistically, may need a 4th round as well?)
    2. Get rid of the stashing draft rights to overseas players.  They either come and play that season, or go back into draft pool for following year and cannot sign with a team without being drafted or failing to be drafted after two drafts.
    3. 1st Round Gauranteed NBA Rookie Contract
  3. NBADL Rookie Contracts and Player Eligibility (All rookie contracts end with Restricted Free Agent status)
    1. Out of High School with High School Diploma
      1. Enter Draft
        1. If selected in 1st round, NBA teams must sign them to NBA Contract.
        2. If selected in 2nd round, may be signed to NBA or NBADL contract.
        3. If selected in 3rd round, must sign NBADL contract. (This becomes 4th round if 4th round is neccesary)
          1. NBA Contract
            1. Normal NBA Rookie Player Rules
          2. TNBADL Contract
            1. $50,000/yr
            2. 3 year deal with team option after each year
            3. 1 year mandatory NBADL period before being able to be called up to the NBA roster.
    2. College 1 year Experience
      1. Not eligible to enter draft.
    3. College 2 years Experience
      1. Not eligible to enter draft.
      2. May be invited to Sophmore Prospects camp (similar to a Combine type event) to get feedback from actual teams/scouts.
    4. College 3 years Experience (If player earns degree in 3 years, see #5 below)
      1. Can Declare for Draft without an Agent and return or enter draft. If agent hired, cannot return
      2. No restrictions on what contract can be signed outside of normal draft contract rules.
      3. If signed to NBA contract, normal NBA player.
      4. If signed to NBADL contract:
        1. $100,000/yr
        2. 3 year deal with team option after final year
        3. 1 Month mandatory transition period 
    5. College 4+ years Experience or College Degree (Exclueds 2 year college degrees)
      1. Eligible to enter draft
      2. No restrictions on what contract can be signed outside of normal draft contract rules. 
      3. If signed to NBA contract, normal NBA player.
      4. If signed to NBADL contract:
        1. $250,000/yr
        2. 3 year guaranteed deal with player option after final year.
        3. No mandatory waiting period to be called up to NBA
  4. NBADL/NBA Movement Rules (Similar to Baseball's rules for this, assume baseball rule unless noted below)
    1. Call Ups
      1. Rookie Contracts - Eligibility and rules listed above. 
      2. NBADL Regular Contracts - No restriction.
      3. Contracts:
        1. NBA/NBADL Rookie Contracts - Contract does not change unless waived.
        2. NBADL Regular Contract
          1. May be offered NBA contract at any time.
          2. If remaining on main roster for start of next season, must be signed to NBA contract or sent back to NBADL
        3. NBA Regular Contract - No changes to NBA contract.
    2. Send Down
      1. A player may be sent down for any reason.
      2. Max of 3 times per consecutive time with organization, player then must be waived or rookie contract ends.
      3. Contracts;
        1. NBA/NBADL Rookie Contract - Contract does not change unless waived or not resigned.
        2. NBADL Regular Contract - Contract does not change unless signed to NBA Contract, waived or not resigned.
        3. NBA Regular Contract
          1. Player may remain on NBA contract if sent down under any of these conditions:
            1. If due to injury/rehab assignment.  
              1. Cannot exceed 5 games or 14 days.
              2. Player must miss 5 consecutive games to be eligible for rehab assignment
            2. If max NBA contracts is not exceeded.
            3. Duration cannot exceed into start of next season (unless due to injury)
            4. If conditions above are not met, player must be kept on main roster or waived.
 
Sorry so long but it just all started spewing out after starting to type.
Thanks for anyone who actually read through it all.

For any one reading on the app, you might want the web view. Much easier to read. (If you actually want to read it)


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recker222000    1,010

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Declaring for the draft doesn't mean what it used to mean when they don't hire an agent. IMO it would be dumb for them not to declare without an agent if they truly have aspirations of making it to the next level. It allows them to workout with NBA talent and get evaluations from NBA guys to let them know what they need to improve on to make it.

If you were given the opportunity to participate in a work related event that gave you first hand experience on what the job entails and what you need to work on to ensure you can successfully do that job would you do it?

If anything, I think it'll just make someone like ROJO and even JBJ work harder because they are told they aren't good enough yet to be draft highly or draft at all.

So if 400 players declare the nba is going to evaluate them all? They are only acout 60 draft picks.

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