TOM CREAN FIRED

[HoosierTrav]

This thread isn't going away anytime soon.

[HoosierTrav]

And now I'm legitimately concerned for the treatment of Crean and his family. I hope our fanbase understands the effects our treatment of him and his family will have on a potential replacement. We could be digging our own grave.

[coonhounds]

I hear ya. Creans best season (12-13) we had the horrible losses to Butler, Illinois and Wisky at home.

and ohio state at home on senior night was my favorite.

[HoosierTrav]

This is a spitting image of last year's team, minus the hot start to the season.

[BlueDevil]

This is a spitting image of last year's team, minus the hot start to the season.

Yep with one slightly taller dude at Center. No difference really.

[Hoosiers High Life]

Maybe call a TO and explain to him why he is getting beat???
If he keeps getting beat? Bench him! It's amazing how kids respond to a benching.
Find a kid who actually wants to play defense.

No just straight up bench his butt and let him watch. Shouldn't have to "explain" why he is getting beat

[ThompsonHoosier]

If we lose this game (and it looks like it's quite a possibility at the moment), how will the fanbase respond? Surely, Crean's seat will be on fire when he gets back to Bloomington.

[Hoosiers High Life]

He gets them prepared? Really? That's why we gave up 50 in the first half yesterday, right? They're in great shape...but "prepaed?" Disagree.

He recruits like a boss? Really? A good recruiter builds teams that can succeed at a high level year after year. Crean can get kids to say yes, but who has he recruited who can lead? Who has he recruited that wants to defend? Who has he recruited that is good off the ball and does little things that make a team better? He had a team that won the Big Ten 2 years ago, and then finished 8th and 7th. Where was the "recruiting like a boss" then? Vonleh didn't give a damn and didn't want to be here. He was a bad fit.

There's a difference between being a good recruiter and getting kids to say yes. I don't need to re-hash this anymore, but if people can't see the pattern by now, it doesn't matter.

Ok he I guess he didn't recruit all this talent we got on the floor? Yogi isn't a leader? And you know he does get them prepared. He is absolutely terrible in game coach

[coonhounds]

Will crean be happy with today's performance? I was afraid to ask In the game thread.

[Hoosiers High Life]

Maybe call a TO and explain to him why he is getting beat???
If he keeps getting beat? Bench him! It's amazing how kids respond to a benching.
Find a kid who actually wants to play defense.

Better yet this St. John's game there would have been a new starting five for me but I'm still not sure this would teach them anything. Supposedly we are #1 offense in country and they think they can outscore anyone I guess the should of learned that was wrong

[brandct]

Ok he I guess he didn't recruit all this talent we got on the floor? Yogi isn't a leader? And you know he does get them prepared. He is absolutely terrible in game coach

 

I do not feel that Yogi is a leader. Yogi makes way to many bad decisions at times to be a leader. 

[Class of '66 Old Fart]

I might be the minority but I don't really get upset anymore about this stuff. It's almost funny or laughable. I love IU basketball but something really has to change

I think basketball and football are interchangeable nouns in your statement.

[8bucks]

Ok he I guess he didn't recruit all this talent we got on the floor? Yogi isn't a leader? And you know he does get them prepared. He is absolutely terrible in game coach

Where has Yogi led the team?

[BlueDevil]

I say we give tom 2 unlimited air floaties and make him swim back to Bloomington.

[brandct]

I say we give tom 2 unlimited air floaties and make him swim back to Bloomington.

 

I say we just offer to buy him a retirement home down there and leave him. 

[Walking Boot of Doom]

I say we just offer to buy him a retirement home down there and leave him. 

Would cost less than his buyout

[HoosierAloha]

No just straight up bench his butt and let him watch. Shouldn't have to "explain" why he is getting beat

 

Explain because that's what a good coach does.  Often frosh are in over their heads to start the season and need leadership.  However, their is zero leadership on this team from the coaches to players.  That is evident from the continuous bad decisions on and off the court.  Yogi is a great player but not a leader. 

[Old Friend]

Ok he I guess he didn't recruit all this talent we got on the floor? Yogi isn't a leader? And you know he does get them prepared. He is absolutely terrible in game coach

Like I said...he can get kids to say yes.  That has nothing to do with "being a good recruiter" because he has yet to consistently build teams, and there's a difference.  You either understand that or you don't.  Relative to Yogi....believe me when I tell you I am very close to that, and he's never been a leader.  That's just reality....your leaders don't take 4 years worth of selfish shots.  

 

Leaders don't get arrested and then allow team mates to consistently get arrested.  Leaders make other people around them better.  Leaders take ownership.  Accountability and doing hard things is part of being a leader.  Yogi is not.  Has never been.  He is a marvelously talented player when he has the ball in his hands.  Doesn't make him a great passer or even a great point guard.  He's strong, he's athletic, he's a relatively polite kid who has a huge ego and will end up with pretty solid numbers.   But he also has never done anything at the college level.  He was a freshman on a sweet 16 team.  What else has he done?  0-1 in NCAA tournaments and 7th and 8th in the Big Ten, all while "leading" a team that's had to eliminate no fewer than 5 kids due to disciplinary problems of one kind of another and lost another 3-4 more due to transfer.   I know that happens everywhere, but stop me when you get to "that makes Yoi a leader."  

 

And no....I don't know Crean gets them prepared, which is why I gave you an example (just the most recent) of why I feel that way.   You think the problems (which have been consistent for 7 years) begin and end with his ability as a game coach??    Sorry....that's way too elementary to even debate.

[WayneFleekHoosier]

Crean as a great recruiter is wrong on so many levels. Great recruiters hit on their primary targets with better frequency. Their secondary targets with better frequency. Or at least have a realistic recruiting approach and the following years team in mind when adding pieces.

Crean is haphazard in his approach to most things, including recruiting. Secondhand info here.

[HoosierTrav]

Crean as a great recruiter is wrong on so many levels. Great recruiters hit on their primary targets with better frequency. Their secondary targets with better frequency. Or at least have a realistic recruiting approach and the following years team in mind when adding pieces.

Crean is haphazard in his approach to most things, including recruiting. Secondhand info here.

Exactly! He is extremely overrated as a recruiter. In his entire tenure at IU, there was one season where we didn't have a major hole to fill.

Speaking on recruiting: If we think it has went bad in the last two years, it's about to get really bad. We can kiss finishing up this class strong. Crean's seat will be hotter than it's ever been and if the team continues to play the way they are, attendance will dwindle. This is going to be a LONG SEASON!!!