TOM CREAN FIRED

[Uspshoosier]

They did play bad but there was no excuse why that team didn't win. Yeah they should have lost to Temple though. IU was clearly the best team and then they went downhill towards the end of the season. A trend that we know far too well with Crean

 

 

Sorry they weren't clearly the best team that year in my opinion They were on of the best teams but the 3rd overall number 1 seed that year. Louisville was the number 1 overall seed and Kansas was the 2nd number 1 seed.

 

 

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[Hoosier Guy]

Just now, Uspshoosier said:

Sorry they weren't clearly the best team that year in my opinion They were on of the best teams but the 3rd overall number 1 seed that year. Louisville was the number 1 overall see and Kansas was the 2nd number 1 seed.

 

 

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Because they went downhill the last half month. They were 24-3 coming off that huge win at Michigan State. They were the best team. And then they weren't

[mdn82]

Sorry they weren't clearly the best team that year in my opinion They were on of the best teams but the 3rd overall number 1 seed that year. Louisville was the number 1 overall seed and Kansas was the 2nd number 1 seed.

 

 

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Yep. Louisville's numbers were better than ours. They were hot in February and carried it into March after struggling in January.


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[Uspshoosier]

Yep. Louisville's numbers were better than ours. They were hot in February and carried it into March after struggling in January.


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Syracuse was a top 10 preseason team that year as well that under preformed all year to get a 4 seed. People seem to forget that and think that Syracuse was trash that year


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[JSHoosier]

13 minutes ago, BlueDevil2aHoosier said:

 

 

I know he made it once but I would like to add that Crean lost by 33 in the final four lol


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Yep, they got punked by Kansas.  That kind of beatdown you'd think it was the Syracuse zone.

[Brass Cannon]

Just now, Uspshoosier said:

Syracuse was a top 10 preseason team that year as well that under preformed all year to get a 4 seed. People seem to forget that and think that Syracuse was trash that year


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Which might mean something except during the game we did exactly zero things to counter the Syracuse Zone. 

And Crean pulled his patented take the hot kid out to put the struggling starter back in. 

[Uspshoosier]

Because they went downhill the last half month. They were 24-3 coming off that huge win at Michigan State. They were the best team. And then they weren't

and Louisville last lost was February 9th that year and was ranked # 1 in the country like we were in January. Iu was one of a handful of teams that could of won that year. Like many years good teams with dreams of winning it lose. It's why the tournament is greatest sporting event in the world in my opinion


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[Trish]

Crean had almost a full week to prepare for a 2-3 zone.

Imagine having having the privilege of knowing what defense your opponent will run and not being able prepared for it..


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[Hoosier Guy]

Just now, Uspshoosier said:

and Louisville last lost was February 9th that year and was ranked # 1 in the country like we were in January. Iu was one of a handful of teams that could of won that year. Like many years good teams with dreams of winning it lose. It's why the tournament is greatest sporting event in the world in my opinion


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We might as well stop because I'm not changing my stance. IU was the best team when they wanted to look like it. Obviously, they didn't want to be when it mattered most

[Uspshoosier]

Which might mean something except during the game we did exactly zero things to counter the Syracuse Zone. 

 

And Crean pulled his patented take the hot kid out to put the struggling starter back in. 

 

Maybe but Syracuse has a little more to do with iu losing then some want to give credit. They went on in he next game to hold Marquette to 39 points in the elite 8. 7th Ken Pom adjusted defense.

 

 

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[BGleas]

Just now, Uspshoosier said:

and Louisville last lost was February 9th that year and was ranked # 1 in the country like we were in January. Iu was one of a handful of teams that could of won that year. Like many years good teams with dreams of winning it lose. It's why the tournament is greatest sporting event in the world in my opinion


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Agree. Not saying we shouldn't have gone further than we did, but people have come to romanticize how good that team actually was. As you said, IU was a handful of really good teams that year, but we weren't head and shoulders better than everyone else. 

Remember, we barely beat Georgetown early in the year, and struggled to beat Georgia, along with losing to Butler in the non conference. Yes, we were certainly capable of winning a national title that year, and certainly fell apart down the stretch and should have gone further. But, IU was also a talented team with almost no depth, and and no size in the backcourt. 

A really good team capable of winning it all, but also a team with flaws that could be taken advantage of. 

[Uspshoosier]

Agree. Not saying we shouldn't have gone further than we did, but people have come to romanticize how good that team actually was. As you said, IU was a handful of really good teams that year, but we weren't head and shoulders better than everyone else. 

Remember, we barely beat Georgetown early in the year, and struggled to beat Georgia, along with losing to Butler in the non conference. Yes, we were certainly capable of winning a national title that year, and certainly fell apart down the stretch and should have gone further. But, IU was also a talented team with almost no depth, and and no size in the backcourt. 

A really good team capable of winning it all, but also a team with flaws that could be taken advantage of. 

Yeah this happens every year with teams that have a chance to win it. Since that was iu's first team in a really long time that legitimately had a chance to win it all it stung the fan base harder. But in reality that loss was no different then any other number 1 seed losing before the final 4.


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[Hovadipo]

We might as well stop because I'm not changing my stance. IU was the best team when they wanted to look like it. Obviously, they didn't want to be when it mattered most

I'm sure they didn't want to win. Because that makes a whole truckload of sense.


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[Hoosier Guy]

Just now, Hovadipo said:

 

I'm sure they didn't want to win. Because that makes a whole truckload of sense.


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Let me put it like this. They sure didn't look like they cared that much against Syracuse. Nor against Temple but they survived that one. That was the most talented team Crean was ever gonna have at IU

[Uspshoosier]

Crean had almost a full week to prepare for a 2-3 zone.

Imagine having having the privilege of knowing what defense your opponent will run and not being able prepared for it..


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U mean like every team that has lost to Syracuse in the last 15 years since he has ran it for that long. They won a national title playing that 2-3 zone that teams had a full week to prepare for. While iu looked terrible against it don't act like it's a normal 2-3 zone with the length and height of the guards he recruits for his system. There was a reason their defense was the 7th adjusted defense that year. Just think how Marquette fans felt when they only scored 39 points in the elite 8 against the 2-3 zone


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[TheWatShot]

5 minutes ago, Hoosier Guy said:

Let me put it like this. They sure didn't look like they cared that much against Syracuse. Nor against Temple but they survived that one. That was the most talented team Crean was ever gonna have at IU

They looked more like a team that had done nothing but run suicides the day before the game. Which, given what we've heard about Crean, wouldn't be all that surprising. 

[Hoosier Guy]

Just now, TheWatShot said:

They looked more like a team that had done nothing but run suicides the day before the game. Which, given what we've heard about Crean, wouldn't be all that surprising. 

Yes there was that too. It was definitely on both Crean and the players. A total team collapse

[Hovadipo]

Let me put it like this. They sure didn't look like they cared that much against Syracuse. Nor against Temple but they survived that one. That was the most talented team Crean was ever gonna have at IU

Just because you're mad they lost that game doesn't mean they didn't care. They had been slumping for a month+ and playing bad basketball overall. The whole "who wants it more" thing is crap. It comes down to who is playing better basketball. Pretty sure Bob Knight said something along those lines in his Power of Negativity book.


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[Brass Cannon]

2 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

U mean like every team that has lost to Syracuse in the last 15 years since he has ran it for that long. They won a national title playing that 2-3 zone that teams had a full week to prepare for. While iu looked terrible against it don't act like it's a normal 2-3 zone with the length and height of the guards he recruits for his system. There was a reason their defense was the 7th adjusted defense that year. Just think how Marquette fans felt when they only scored 39 points in the elite 8 against the 2-3 zone


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It's one thing to lose. Crean didn't have his team ready to do the little things you HAVE to do to win. 

Its like he didn't know how to do it 

[Uspshoosier]

Let me put it like this. They sure didn't look like they cared that much against Syracuse. Nor against Temple but they survived that one. That was the most talented team Crean was ever gonna have at IU

I just watched the temple game again. Temple had a great game plan and Wyatt was ridiculous. Iu looked like they cared but for whatever reason they were getting outplayed. Vic looked like he cared when he drained that 3. Talented teams lose all the time. Sometimes you are on the wrong end of games when u are th favorites. Wonder how Duke fans felt in 2002 when their team of 6 first rounders lost in the sweet 16 to IU


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