TOM CREAN FIRED

[Alford Bailey]

1 hour ago, Hovadipo said:

I'm down with Nored if and only if we get a heavily moustach'ed Matt Howard on the bench.


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Im friends with Matts older brother. I will run this past him. May cause a war within the Howard clan. They lean heavily Butler.

[BGleas]

2 hours ago, Stuhoo said:

Wow; thought I'd get way more pushback with "The Nored Theory."

BGleas, Pap, and OldFriend...what say you?

Definitely seems like a great resume to this point for someone so young. I tend to think you need a little more experience to run a program as major as IU, but I really like that he's getting head coaching experience at the NBDL level, that he's seems incredibly smart, and comes from the Butler tree. 

One thing I've said is that if we make a change I want Glass to get really creative. Do what he needs to do to get the best coach possible, no matter how outside the box it may be. Don't settle for a retread because you're afraid. So, this would certainly qualify. 

I'd need to read up more, maybe he'd be better suited for a lead assistant/coach in waiting under an older/experienced coach, I would definitely be open to him. 

[ALASKA HOOSIER]

Can someone post his creds

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[Stuhoo]

Can someone post his creds

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https://www.google.com/amp/www.masslive.com/articles/18384378/brad_stevens_brooklyn_nets_wis.amp?client=safari

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronald_Nored

[HoosierAloha]

Wow; thought I'd get way more pushback with "The Nored Theory."

BGleas, Pap, and OldFriend...what say you?

At this point I think 80% are on board for the "Deputy Dog Theory".


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Personally, I'm ready for a change. I know there's a chance that it could be a swing and miss but something different would be nice. A young up and comer, like Nored, with a strong staff could get me excited about the future.

[NateNoel]

I'm also ready for a change. Think outside the box. Been thinking inside the box since 1995.

[Stuhoo]

5 minutes ago, Fkfootball1 said:

IU fans want Stevens, Holtman, Nored. What it comes down too, is that we have become Butlers "little brother" in Basketball.

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In my opinion, that is WAY too harsh.

However, we do want to overachieve, and Butler is a prime, and nearby example of a program that routinely does so.

 

[sierracoach]

On 1/18/2017 at 9:03 PM, TheWatShot said:

For the people who are so certain an extension is coming this spring: why didn't it happen last year? The timing would have been perfect: a second Big Ten title in four years, a triumphant turnaround after a disastrous start, winning without one of the top scorers…yet no extension, and Glass was perfectly fine with sending Crean into the offseason to recruit players who were told by other coaches that Crean was not under contract for their senior season. Now, with our tournament fate very much in limbo, almost certain regression from a year ago, and very little recruiting momentum, Glass is going to be ok with that? Let it play out. 

I assume the reason no extension happened last off-season is because at that time Crean still had 4 seasons left on his contract (through 6/20/2020) and Glass saw no need for an extension then. Once this season's over, Crean would thus presumably have only 3 seasons left and that's why I expect an extension next spring in order to "help him recruit."

Only way I don't see that happening is if Crean's team doesn't even get an NCAA tournament bid--and even then I wouldn't be shocked to see an extension. If it does happen, I hope to God it's not as extravagant and over-the-top as the last one, and that the $1 Mil buyout (after 7/1/2017 IIRC) can be reduced even further, maybe to $500,000. Not saying I like or agree with this scenario, only that I suspect it's the most likely one at this point in time.

And I'm unapologetically selfish about TC's hypothetical replacements--I'm not very interested in Nored, or even Holtmann, Mack, Jacobson or A.Miller. I want a "home run hire" that says, for maybe the first time in 16 or 17 years, IU Admin "got it right." Unfortunately, for me about the only guys who fit that category are Stevens, Donovan, T. Bennett and S. Miller, and I don't know if any of them would be genuinely interested. So IU either gambles on extending Crean or gambles on someone from the Holtmann, Mack, Jacobson or A. Miller category.

Also, from what I've heard, Gregg Marshall and Glass might not be a good fit, philosophically speaking. And GM's already making almost as much as Crean does, so I don't know how much ($4 Mil a year? $4.5?) it might take to get him interested. Not sure how he'd approach recruiting at a (formerly?) elite program like IU's, either.

[mdn82]

I assume the reason no extension happened last off-season is because at that time Crean still had 4 seasons left on his contract (through 6/20/2020) and Glass saw no need for an extension then. Once this season's over, Crean would thus presumably have only 3 seasons left and that's why I expect an extension next spring in order to "help him recruit."

Only way I don't see that happening is if Crean's team doesn't even get an NCAA tournament bid--and even then I wouldn't be shocked to see an extension. If it does happen, I hope to God it's not as extravagant and over-the-top as the last one, and that the $1 Mil buyout (after 7/1/2017 IIRC) can be reduced even further, maybe to $500,000. Not saying I like or agree with this scenario, only that I suspect it's the most likely one at this point in time.

And I'm unapologetically selfish about TC's hypothetical replacements--I'm not very interested in Nored, or even Holtmann, Mack, Jacobson or A.Miller. I want a "home run hire" that says, for maybe the first time in 16 or 17 years, IU Admin "got it right." Unfortunately, for me about the only guys who fit that category are Stevens, Donovan, T. Bennett and S. Miller, and I don't know if any of them would be genuinely interested. So IU either gambles on extending Crean or gambles on someone from the Holtmann, Mack, Jacobson or A. Miller category.

Also, from what I've heard, Gregg Marshall and Glass might not be a good fit, philosophically speaking. And GM's already making almost as much as Crean does, so I don't know how much ($4 Mil a year? $4.5?) it might take to get him interested. Not sure how he'd approach recruiting at a (formerly?) elite program like IU's, either.

What does Sean Miller bring come tournament time Tom Crean doesn't? We would be in the same boat. All the time people cite Crean's lack of tournament success as a reason to go. They both have won in conference. Sean Miller in an easier conference. He recruits great, but every year underperforms in the tournament. 0 Final Fours with his talent. No thanks.


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[Stuhoo]

What does Sean Miller bring come tournament time Tom Crean doesn't? We would be in the same boat. All the time people cite Crean's lack of tournament success as a reason to go. They both have won in conference. Sean Miller in an easier conference. He recruits great, but every year underperforms in the tournament. 0 Final Fours with his talent. No thanks.


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I'd rather have Archie than Sean.

[ThompsonHoosier]

15 hours ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

Interesting paragraph in Jordan Hull's lastest that appears on AlbersAngle.  It was a Q & A and Jordan gave this answer:  Coach Crean:  I have never seen Coach shoot a jump shot. Ever. He would always demonstrate drills and such but he never actually fired it up there. Maybe he did it so we could just get on with the drill because he was always super efficient with practices and what we had to get done…But 4 years and never see him shoot a jumper? Pretty interesting, haha.

Could we assume, he has absolutely no technique or understanding of shooting fundamentals because he never played the game at a high level?

 

http://www.crimsonquarry.com/2015/11/22/9778848/heres-tom-crean-airballing-a-free-throw-in-maui

I think this may be why...

[Stuhoo]

9 minutes ago, ThompsonHoosier said:

http://www.crimsonquarry.com/2015/11/22/9778848/heres-tom-crean-airballing-a-free-throw-in-maui

I think this may be why...

 

So THAT'S where Josh Newkirk learned to shoot! (shame on me)

Shoulders hunched forward and a claw-like release is no way to go through life, son.

 

[TheWatShot]

6 hours ago, sierracoach said:

I assume the reason no extension happened last off-season is because at that time Crean still had 4 seasons left on his contract (through 6/20/2020) and Glass saw no need for an extension then. Once this season's over, Crean would thus presumably have only 3 seasons left and that's why I expect an extension next spring in order to "help him recruit."

 

He was recruiting players last summer without being under contract for their senior year. I guess I don't see why it'd be necessary now but it wasn't then. 

[GloryDays]

What does Sean Miller bring come tournament time Tom Crean doesn't? We would be in the same boat. All the time people cite Crean's lack of tournament success as a reason to go. They both have won in conference. Sean Miller in an easier conference. He recruits great, but every year underperforms in the tournament. 0 Final Fours with his talent. No thanks.


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I'd rather have his little brother.Sean is the perfect example of a coach whos done less with more.

[southsidehoosier]

Sean in the Crean of the PAC 12


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[HoosierAloha]

Sean in the Crean of the PAC 12


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Yeah, Elite 8s instead of Sweet 16s. He's had a ton of talent out there.

[8bucks]

Yeah, Elite 8s instead of Sweet 16s. He's had a ton of talent out there.

Sean has consistently been a top 15 team. That makes him different than Crean as well.

[southsidehoosier]

Sean has consistently been a top 15 team. That makes him different than Crean as well.

But no Final Fours with arguably better recruiting classes than Crean.


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[Alford Bailey]

Welp, Crean will have to cut the rotation down again with the OG injury and Priller MIA. Watch us go on a run.

[8bucks]

But no Final Fours with arguably better recruiting classes than Crean.


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Completely agree but I would trade their success for ours under Crean. Better to recruit better and have a consistent top tier team than to recruit inconsistently and top out at an occasional sweet 16.