TOM CREAN FIRED

[Hoosier82]

I was just listening to idiots on the Radio in Louisville.  Said IU fans were the most delusional fan base in the area and we are not close to an elite program.
I would argue that what makes you elite is a combination of a elite fan base (check), elite facilities (check), elite money (check), and elite coach (TBD). All we need is a coach. The talent and winning will return.
They make it sound as if it is impossible to improve our situation and that it is a zero sum game.  Only KY, UofL, Duke, NC, etc. can be elite and how dare we even try.
Pisses me off!!!!

What was Louisville at the end of Denny Crum's tenure? Far from elite. Everyone is one bad coaching hire from mediocrity.


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[HoosierAloha]

I agree we should expect a coach that can win 25 games consistently. My hope is we see more consistency with the floor much higher. A down year should be in the tourney as a 9-10 seed. That allows the new coach to maintain momentum and not hope the lift starts to take us back up.

25 wins in today's cbb world isn't some amazing feat, as BC pointed out above. 10 noncon wins, 10-12 conference wins, and a handful of wins in both tourneys does it.

[Magnanimous]

2 minutes ago, mark1981 said:

I was just listening to idiots on the Radio in Louisville.  Said IU fans were the most delusional fan base in the area and we are not close to an elite program.

I would argue that what makes you elite is a combination of a elite fan base (check), elite facilities (check), elite money (check), and elite coach (TBD). All we need is a coach. The talent and winning will return.

They make it sound as if it is impossible to improve our situation and that it is a zero sum game.  Only KY, UofL, Duke, NC, etc. can be elite and how dare we even try.

Pisses me off!!!!

IU with a competent coach would d*ckslap most of the college basketball world. And they know it too. 

[mark1981]

Just now, Hoosier82 said:

What was Louisville at the end of Denny Crum's tenure? Far from elite. Everyone is one bad coaching hire from mediocrity.


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Exactly.  They even made the same point about the end of Knights Tenure.

 

[HoosierAloha]

Other fan bases will kick and scream to put and keep IU down because they know what it means if IU starts rolling again. They won't have an easy W, they will have to compete for recruits with another school, and they'll have another team to keep them from titles.

[JSHoosier]

1 minute ago, Magnanimous said:

IU with a competent coach would d*ckslap most of the college basketball world. And they know it too. 

This.  Currently I think IU is a sleeping giant.  Make the right hire and we're right there in the conversation with Duke, UNC, pUKe, etc.

[cljones1979]

1 minute ago, HoosierAloha said:

I agree we should expect a coach that can win 25 games consistently. My hope is we see more consistency with the floor much higher. A down year should be in the tourney as a 9-10 seed. That allows the new coach to maintain momentum and not hope the lift starts to take us back up.

25 wins in today's cbb world isn't some amazing feat, as BC pointed out above. 10 noncon wins, 10-12 conference wins, and a handful of wins in both tourneys does it.

 

12 minutes ago, Walking Boot of Doom said:

Other than the fact that the B1G is usually a strong conference and you'd essentially need to go undefeated during nonconference play to accomplish 25-30 wins every year.

I'm going off a full season that includes btn tournament and ncaa tournament. I don't think 25 wins is out of the question but yeah lets just say 20+ a yr that's very feasable

[Brass Cannon]

4 minutes ago, Walking Boot of Doom said:

I was just thinking regular season. For context, Bob Knight only won 25 or more games 8 out of 29 seasons at Indiana... let's keep our expectations reasonable haha. (I know they played fewer games earlier on in his time at IU, but you get my point.)

I don't think anybody expects to win 25-30 games out of the 31 regular season games. 

I do think regularly winning 22-26 is more than reasonable. 

[Brass Cannon]

2 minutes ago, JSHoosier said:

This.  Currently I think IU is a sleeping giant.  Make the right hire and we're right there in the conversation with Duke, UNC, pUKe, etc.

The comparisons to Alabama football are insane. 

Anybody remember LSU fans talking trash about Alabama a decade or so ago. 

[Walking Boot of Doom]

I don't think anybody expects to win 25-30 games out of the 31 regular season games. 

I do think regularly winning 22-26 is more than reasonable. 

Yup misunderstood. 25-30 is expected if you get a win or two in each tournament which is what we fired Crean for not doing.

 

 

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[NCHoosier]

10 minutes ago, mark1981 said:

I was just listening to idiots on the Radio in Louisville.  Said IU fans were the most delusional fan base in the area and we are not close to an elite program.

I would argue that what makes you elite is a combination of a elite fan base (check), elite facilities (check), elite money (check), and elite coach (TBD). All we need is a coach. The talent and winning will return.

They make it sound as if it is impossible to improve our situation and that it is a zero sum game.  Only KY, UofL, Duke, NC, etc. can be elite and how dare we even try.

Pisses me off!!!!

And how many NCAA Championships do they have in the last 30 years...1.

It's ridiculous how fan bases view themselves.  However, to act like Indiana is not an elite program is borderline foolish.

[Brass Cannon]

1 minute ago, NCHoosier said:

And how many NCAA Championships do they have in the last 30 years...1.

It's ridiculous how fan bases view themselves.  However, to act like Indiana is not an elite program is borderline foolish.

Potentially 0 if the NCAA does what it should. 

[CR3AMnCR1MS0N]

Yeah... modern media rides Duke's genitalia, while Duke only made 7 tournaments before Coach K. Now they haven't missed the tourney since '83.

 

A good coach can change everything.

 

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[HoosierAloha]

Something that hasn't been brought up regarding a new coach. I want to play Indiana schools in the noncon. I want a three year rotation with other Indiana schools. I wouldn't mind seeing the Crossroads Classic end and setting up a home/home with ND or Butler.

Schedule:
Year 1: @Eville, FW, Butler
Year 2: Eville, @FW, (neutral) Butler
Year 3: @ISU, FW, Butler
Year 4: Eville, ISU, @ND
Year 5: ISU, @Valpo, (neutral) ND
Year 6: Valpo, @BSU, ND

I want IU to play at least one away game in the state of Indiana every year. We talk about wanting to recruit the state and keep the best home. I think there are several ways to do this besides the coach. Playing around the state in venues that are more accessible to IU and cbb fans would help this.

[brandct]

3 minutes ago, NCHoosier said:

And how many NCAA Championships do they have in the last 30 years...1.

It's ridiculous how fan bases view themselves.  However, to act like Indiana is not an elite program is borderline foolish.

Yeah I live in Southern Indiana work in Louisville, and some U of L fans are annoying saying we're not elite because we haven't won a championship in 30 years and I reply with so you guys weren't elite since you went 27 years between championships and how many banners do you have hanging. Usually that is the end of the conversation.

[Hoosier82]

Yeah... modern media rides Duke's genitalia, while Duke only made 7 tournaments before Coach K. Now they haven't missed the tourney since '83.
 
A good coach can change everything.
 
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If they hire the wrong assistant after K goes, then they can quickly become irrelevant. No one is immune to a bad coaching hire.


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[mark1981]

2 minutes ago, Hoosier82 said:

If they hire the wrong assistant after K goes, then they can quickly become irrelevant. No one is immune to a bad coaching hire.


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In the next 5 or so years the landscape of college bball will change drastically.  Coach K, Roy, Pitino, Jim Boehiem will probably be retired.  If they don't make home run hires they will feel our pain.

[HoosierTrav]

I was just listening to idiots on the Radio in Louisville.  Said IU fans were the most delusional fan base in the area and we are not close to an elite program.
I would argue that what makes you elite is a combination of a elite fan base (check), elite facilities (check), elite money (check), and elite coach (TBD). All we need is a coach. The talent and winning will return.
They make it sound as if it is impossible to improve our situation and that it is a zero sum game.  Only KY, UofL, Duke, NC, etc. can be elite and how dare we even try.
Pisses me off!!!!

All this nonsense from rival media is due to fear of inadequacy. Deep down they know that we are a hibernating power. They realize that with the right hire we are going to match or possibly surpass them in success. Therefore they have to double down on the things that have helped convince them they are better than us. Expect a lot of this until we announce Donovan.

[hoosierbannerd]

4 minutes ago, mark1981 said:

In the next 5 or so years the landscape of college bball will change drastically.  Coach K, Roy, Pitino, Jim Boehiem will probably be retired.  If they don't make home run hires they will feel our pain.

Yup, it's time to end our "ebbs" and "flow" again in the college basketball world...

[Brass Cannon]

17 minutes ago, HoosierAloha said:

Something that hasn't been brought up regarding a new coach. I want to play Indiana schools in the noncon. I want a three year rotation with other Indiana schools. I wouldn't mind seeing the Crossroads Classic end and setting up a home/home with ND or Butler.

Schedule:
Year 1: @Eville, FW, Butler
Year 2: Eville, @FW, (neutral) Butler
Year 3: @ISU, FW, Butler
Year 4: Eville, ISU, @ND
Year 5: ISU, @Valpo, (neutral) ND
Year 6: Valpo, @BSU, ND

I want IU to play at least one away game in the state of Indiana every year. We talk about wanting to recruit the state and keep the best home. I think there are several ways to do this besides the coach. Playing around the state in venues that are more accessible to IU and cbb fans would help this.

I want the classic to expand to us playing both Butler and Notre Dame.