TOM CREAN FIRED

[Hoosierfan2017]

6 minutes ago, recker222000 said:

Same with me. I'm done with crean.

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Same. Fred Glass has a chance to prove to all of us how much he really cares about IU being an elite program. If he keeps Crean that shows me that he lied about everything he said. I'm not being a bandwagon fan. I won't be leaving because we're bad. If Crean stays I'll be leaving because we're bad and the people in charge don't care that we're bad. If the guys making 6-7 figures to control IU basketball don't care, there's no reason for me to either. IU basketball will always be special to me, but the days of watching every game and spending any money on the program would be over. 

[mdn82]

Not to long ago crean missed not and fred and crean denied invite to the smaller tourney cause we are indiana lol

 

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That was the CBI. A new tournament for those not good enough to get into the NIT. You could get in there with a losing record. Basically our cupcakes pool for future schedules play in that tournament.

 

 

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[Cheaney40]

Peoples time is valuable is the administration does not care about winning it is more than acceptable for fans to use their time for other activities. When the administration cares about winning again they will have my support again. 

This is the definition of a fair weather fan.

I'll support them when it's acceptable. But when I deem it unacceptable, I'll ignore them or as some here have stated, they'll find another team to watch (Butler for instance).

[Brass Cannon]

1 minute ago, Cheaney40 said:

This is the definition of a fair weather fan.

I'll support them when it's acceptable. But when I deem it unacceptable, I'll ignore them or as some here have stated, they'll find another team to watch (Butler for instance).

No fair weather fans only care when the team actually is winning. Caring about winning and actually winning are different 

[mdiu28]

22 minutes ago, Cheaney40 said:

Well, for anyone who shares this opinion, that's fine but in my opinion, you might rethink tuning back in if/when we're competing for titles.

As a fan, you suffer through the tough times to celebrate the good times. Even if you don't support the current AD or coach, you root for the Hoosiers ...

And if you're not able to, then keep the TV off when we're at the top again (with or without a new coach)

If IU is in position to win a a title, Tom Crean most likely won't be the coach - he's proven he isn't the guy to get us there. 

Simply sitting back and letting the admin hold our program back is not the attitude of a winning basketball program. When they aren't serving the program well, they need to know about it. Without the passion of our fans, we're just another college basketball team. For me, that's the worse thing that could happen and I hate to say it but it's already happening on the national scene (most don't consider us elite).

I respect your decision to keep cheering but maybe you should ask yourself if you have a breaking point? If not, then mediocrity seems to be ok with you.

[JSHoosier]

17 minutes ago, Baltimore Hoosier said:

Not sure why there is so much optimism with Donovan.. The dude is making $6mil a year and coaching one of the best players in the game. Don't see him regressing back to college unless he's forced. It's a pipe dream to think he ends up at IU in my opinion.

I can only name one poster on this board optimistic about Donovan.  The scenario I laid out was hypothetical, and if I'm being honest me grasping at straws to find a way to get around having an AD that would intentionally kill his most visible program because he is invested in the coach and lied about his expectations.

Who knows, maybe Donovan doesn't think Westbrook will stay in OKC/doesn't have a good feeling of their direction or is tired of the guy taking 40 shots a game.

[SteelerHoosier]

Just now, Cheaney40 said:

Until that coach loses then you'll turn them off again?

I'm not a Crean fan. But I'm a Hoosiers fan and I don't see how an IU fan can just not watch or support them because they disagree with the powers that be.

You're not understanding my stance at all. There are years that we are not going to be as strong. I understand that. I am in coaching and plan on spending the next 40 years of my life doing so, but we are not talking about a random two year lull in performance in the midst of a decade run of consistency. When the same issues are present year after year after year and the powers to be show they don't care why should I? Why invest my time, money, and energy into a product that clearly isn't working at the level they claim it is? I didn't stop watching during the Davis era. I didn't stop watching after we policed ourselves and slogged our way to 28 wins in a three year span. I have been patient with each hire in my lifetime even after we hired a known cheat. The powers to be continue to claim we are an elite program, but their actions say otherwise. If you are trying to sell to me we are elite then show me. We are an expensive program not an elite one. Just go ahead and out right say publicly we are no longer interested in being an elite program and I will adjust my expectations. Until then though I expect a consistent power with the resources we have available in this state. Me deciding not to watch the same ole song and dance does not make me less of a fan than anyone else. I have no other way of having my voice heard. 

[JSHoosier]

30 minutes ago, Cheaney40 said:

Well, for anyone who shares this opinion, that's fine but in my opinion, you might rethink tuning back in if/when we're competing for titles.

As a fan, you suffer through the tough times to celebrate the good times. Even if you don't support the current AD or coach, you root for the Hoosiers ...

And if you're not able to, then keep the TV off when we're at the top again (with or without a new coach)

If IU is competing for titles it means they finally started caring and got a good coach.  It's not happening with Crean.

[Hoosierfan2017]

4 minutes ago, Cheaney40 said:

This is the definition of a fair weather fan.

I'll support them when it's acceptable. But when I deem it unacceptable, I'll ignore them or as some here have stated, they'll find another team to watch (Butler for instance).

We only get so much free time so we're going to spend it on things that are enjoyable. IU didn't put an enjoyable product on the court this year, so a lot of fans weren't going to watch it. If they're going to turn the ball over 20 times, chuck up 3s and not play defense for two hours then I'm going to find something better to do. 

[maharkn]

So does the players backing him mean they are all coming back next year?

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[Hoosier Guy]

It's basically like this guys. If the administration doesn't care about whether the program is elite or not, why should we? We will soon find out how the administration truly feels

[brandct]

Also why would you want to raise your kids watching this product? You want your kids to play the game right. You want them to play D, value the ball, take good shots that is not something they would learn watching IU.

[Cheaney40]

If IU is in position to win a a title, Tom Crean most likely won't be the coach - he's proven he isn't the guy to get us there. 
Simply sitting back and letting the admin hold our program back is not the attitude of a winning basketball program. When they aren't serving the program well, they need to know about it. Without the passion of our fans, we're just another college basketball team. For me, that's the worse thing that could happen and I hate to say it but it's already happening on the national scene (most don't consider us elite).
I respect your decision to keep cheering but maybe you should ask yourself if you have a breaking point? If not, then mediocrity seems to be ok with you.

Accepting mediocrity isn't the same as rooting for these guys to win.

If I were ok with mediocrity as you suggest, I'd be giving high fives for a "good effort" after a loss. That's ridiculous and doesn't describe me at all.

But not cheering for them seems as bad if not WORSE than accepting mediocrity. And I see a lot of people here cheering for the other team ... Including PURDUE!! (are you freaking kidding me?) ... Because that loss might get Crean fired.

We need to accept that nothing we do will result in his firing ... Unless you're a big time donor, sadly you don't have a voice.

He'll go eventually... Until then, don't cheer AGAINST IU, and don't accept mediocrity... Cheer for the W's. If your health can't take it as someone mentioned, that's one thing. But if you're just annoyed we're not winning, I'm serious, don't bother cheering when we are winning. That's annoying.

[SteelerHoosier]

2 minutes ago, Cheaney40 said:

 I'm serious, don't bother cheering when we are winning. That's annoying.

Well then I cannot wait to cheer again ;)

[Whoozhers]

It's funny to think that this thread really started out to be support for CTC back in January 2014. Does that strike anyone else as odd?


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[Tom White]

I doubt Donovan is coaching Westbrook to be  a shot chucker 

You mean a triple-double machine?

[Jeff_Boy_Ardee]

Accepting mediocrity isn't the same as rooting for these guys to win.

If I were ok with mediocrity as you suggest, I'd be giving high fives for a "good effort" after a loss. That's ridiculous and doesn't describe me at all.

But not cheering for them seems as bad if not WORSE than accepting mediocrity. And I see a lot of people here cheering for the other team ... Including PURDUE!! (are you freaking kidding me?) ... Because that loss might get Crean fired.

We need to accept that nothing we do will result in his firing ... Unless you're a big time donor, sadly you don't have a voice.

He'll go eventually... Until then, don't cheer AGAINST IU, and don't accept mediocrity... Cheer for the W's. If your health can't take it as someone mentioned, that's one thing. But if you're just annoyed we're not winning, I'm serious, don't bother cheering when we are winning. That's annoying.

Thank you for letting me know that I'm never allowed to cheer for IU again if I decide not to cheer for pushing IU further and further in to obscurity.

[Baltimore Hoosier]

32 minutes ago, mdiu28 said:

Be honest, are you the guy that yelled at Crean after the Wisconsin game? I see a lot of Maryland in your avatar!

I could ask you the same 'md'iu28. Little suspicious.. not that I'd hate you for it.

[SteelerHoosier]

1 minute ago, Tom White said:

You mean a triple-double machine?

Talented player, but has to be a frustrating to coach

[mdiu28]

4 minutes ago, Baltimore Hoosier said:

I could ask you the same 'md'iu28. Little suspicious.. not that I'd hate you for it.

touché sir