TOM CREAN FIRED

[JSHoosier]

20 minutes ago, Treesh said:

He looks like Crean and has had pretty much the same results as Crean. It's a hard pass. If we have Greg, I'm turning into a Duke fan or something. Hiring Greg is a lateral move.

 

Edit: As much as I want Crean gone, I believe the smart thing to do would be to give him one more year so we can see what coaching options are available. I have the vibe that theres not much available

If Celtics cant contend for a championship next year while adding a top 3 pick, Gordon Hayward, and role players.... then just maybe....just maybe will we have a chance. 

 

Honestly though, I think we all know he will be back here next year. 

 

 

 

I think Marshall is a definite upgrade over Crean.  His tournament results are the only thing remotely similar, Marshall's regular season record (against schools with similar resources) blows Crean's out of the water; the only thing Marshall has done is win consistently, Crean might win consistently in his dreams and that's about it.

[JSHoosier]

22 minutes ago, Feathery said:

Tournament success at a lower school doesnt show yoi can coach at a power 5 school. Look at Groce and the plethora of other coaches who made 1 run and then fet fored from bigger jobs. 

The thing with Marshall is he has made a final four and Sweet 16 as a midmajor but he absolutely dominates his conference filled with similar talent to him. He just gets beat in a dance. Hardly a knock on him. 

18 years as a coach and 18 conference titles/conference tournament titles. Only finished outsode the top 2 in his conference a few times as well. Thats a dominating resume. Multiple top 20 defenses and effficient offensive system as well. Guy is a home run. 

 

There's a reason I added that the tourney can be a crap shoot.  There's certainly the argument that he was going in with mid-major talent.  I know his regular season record is night and day compared to Crean's.  I actually like Marshall, he'd be on my list to call, I just disagree that he'd be a home run even though I think he's a clear upgrade.

[Class of '66 Old Fart]

Several posters are very familiar with milehiiu on 247 and this was another post from him last night that I don't think has made it into this thread.

"Everything hinges upon Crean's agent.  And Stevens has already said no to Glass"

[akhosrof]

I think Frank Martin (SC) has been discussed before, but how about Dana Altman (Oregon) or Billy Kennedy (TAMU)? I would rather first look at a guy from a P5 program that has had success before moving onto mid-major coaching prospects. Of course, Bennett would top that list but I think he turns down IU IMO.


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[mdn82]

9 minutes ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

Several posters are very familiar with milehiiu on 247 and this was another post from him last night that I don't think has made it into this thread.

"Everything hinges upon Crean's agent.  And Stevens has already said no to Glass"

I am sure of the Stevens situation.  We have probably have checked in.  Dude is going to be a top 2 seed, and is going to have the Nets 1st round pick.  Imagine that.  The ability to go after Heyward.  Have a top 2 team in the East, and have potentially the top pick in the draft.  Boston is going to be good for years.  

[CrossboneIU22]

2 minutes ago, mdn82 said:

I am sure of the Stevens situation.  We have probably have checked in.  Dude is going to be a top 2 seed, and is going to have the Nets 1st round pick.  Imagine that.  The ability to go after Heyward.  Have a top 2 team in the East, and have potentially the top pick in the draft.  Boston is going to be good for years.  

I agree that with all that has been said about Stevens, but if you are Glass, you have to make a public plea to Stevens and make him say publicly that he does not want the job, if nothing else, to settle the fan base or they will be calling for your head and speculating on if Stevens was contacted or not.  Stevens is a pipe dream, and sounds like he has said no, but you have to make that public push and prove to everyone that you tried.  It's the only thing that will get everyone over it at this point.  There has never been a more clear cut #1 choice for any hire as much as this one so you have to make the reason it doesn't happen transparent.

[Trish]

51 minutes ago, Feathery said:

Wow you couldnt be more wrong about Marshall. 

First, who gives a crap what he looks like? How superficial, shallow does one have to be to use that as a strike?

Second, go lookbat their resumes. 18 uears of championships compared to a couple. Not even close. 

Third, they run totally dofferent systems. Marshall coaches championship level defense, while at a midmajor. He also has efficient offenses. Crean only coaches offense. 

 

 

Key word. Mid Major. 

 

Let some other "top" program take a swing at him. 

One of the top results when you type his name into Google. 

 

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2016/08/wichita-state-coach-gregg-marshall-ref-mcgill-tirade-ejection

 

YIKES.

[CrossboneIU22]

 

Key word. Mid Major. 

 

Let some other "top" program take a swing at him. 

One of the top results when you type his name into Google. 

 

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2016/08/wichita-state-coach-gregg-marshall-ref-mcgill-tirade-ejection

 

YIKES.

I don't know any other IU coach who has ever acted that way, absolutely awful................oh wait


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I don't know any other IU coach who has ever acted that way, absolutely awful................oh wait


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When you win championships you can act however you want. Also it was a different time.

[8bucks]

I think Marshall is a definite upgrade over Crean.  His tournament results are the only thing remotely similar, Marshall's regular season record (against schools with similar resources) blows Crean's out of the water; the only thing Marshall has done is win consistently, Crean might win consistently in his dreams and that's about it.

When considering Marshall's post season record you start first with a consistent winner during the season. He regularly gets his team to the postseason. That is probably the biggest difference between him and Crean.

I think he is an obvious upgrade from a consistency basis. Even Creans time at Marquette was inconsistent whereas Marshall has been the opposite

[KingPG21]

Unless they can realistically lead us to a championship sometime in the future they shouldn't be on the list. I can't see it with Marshall, only made it past the first weekend twice. Said it before, he is just a double not a triple or even a home run. I want a championship, he doesn't get us a championship. 

[mdn82]

43 minutes ago, CrossboneIU22 said:

I agree that with all that has been said about Stevens, but if you are Glass, you have to make a public plea to Stevens and make him say publicly that he does not want the job, if nothing else, to settle the fan base or they will be calling for your head and speculating on if Stevens was contacted or not.  Stevens is a pipe dream, and sounds like he has said no, but you have to make that public push and prove to everyone that you tried.  It's the only thing that will get everyone over it at this point.  There has never been a more clear cut #1 choice for any hire as much as this one so you have to make the reason it doesn't happen transparent.

Not sure if you want to do that though.  The people that matter to Glass will all know who all he reached out to.  Not sure we want to be that school calling press conferences to say hey we reached out to Brad Stevens and he instantly said no thanks to please a small percentage.  Most can live with the fact he was contacted.  Glass isn't stupid.  If he could offer Stevens the world he would.  It would make his job the easiest in the country.  Money would flow all day long.  Boosters would love him.  He knows this.  If we don't get Stevens, I don't think a public forum is the best place for Glass to let everyone know he couldn't get Stevens to Bloomington.  

[Class of '66 Old Fart]

3 minutes ago, KingPG21 said:

Unless they can realistically lead us to a championship sometime in the future they shouldn't be on the list. I can't see it with Marshall, only made it past the first weekend twice. Said it before, he is just a double not a triple or even a home run. I want a championship, he doesn't get us a championship. 

Devil's advocate here - did IU expect RMK to do what he did when he was hired?    Did Duke expect Coach K to do what he's done?    It's just a total crapshoot and college basketball and recruiting is so much different today than it was when RMK and Coach K were initially hired.  I really do feel for Glass in the challenge he has in replacing CTC (assuming that process is underway) given the passion the fans have for IU basketball and the desire to return to the year in and year out truly elite level.  I ain't gettin' any younger and I want to see another banner hung in Assembly Hall before.....well, you know.

[mdn82]

11 minutes ago, KingPG21 said:

Unless they can realistically lead us to a championship sometime in the future they shouldn't be on the list. I can't see it with Marshall, only made it past the first weekend twice. Said it before, he is just a double not a triple or even a home run. I want a championship, he doesn't get us a championship. 

I am furthest from a Marshall hire fan, but it is hard to say who could lead us to a championship from any hire unless they have already won.  Indiana is different than every school not named Kentucky, UCLA, Kansas, Duke, and UNC.  The money will always be there for basketball.  Everything else falls in line after basketball.  UCLA might not even be able to say that.  Any coaches that have already won a title, why would they leave?  We are going to be taking a coach from a pool of coaches that has upside in Fred Glass' eyes.  I do not envy him at all.

[8bucks]

Unless they can realistically lead us to a championship sometime in the future they shouldn't be on the list. I can't see it with Marshall, only made it past the first weekend twice. Said it before, he is just a double not a triple or even a home run. I want a championship, he doesn't get us a championship. 

So if you get down past your top tier guys and are choosing between Marshall and a guy like Archie Miller the likelihood for a championship under Archie is just as unknown. Not saying I prefer one over the other but if cannot lure one of the big fish we may be fishing in a pond with some uncertainties.

Do you go with an up and comer who has not been on the big stage long or do you go with a guy that will get you into the tournament just about every year. Arguments can be made for both.

[KingPG21]

2 minutes ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

Devil's advocate here - did IU expect RMK to do what he did when he was hired?    Did Duke expect Coach K to do what he's done?    It's just a total crapshoot and college basketball and recruiting is so much different today than it was when RMK and Coach K were initially hired.  I really do feel for Glass in the challenge he has in replacing CTC (assuming that process is underway) given the passion the fans have for IU basketball and the desire to return to the year in and year out truly elite level.  I ain't gettin' any younger and I want to see another banner hung in Assembly Hall before.....well, you know.

Fair enough. Though we have 19 seasons of Marshall coaching, whereas Knight had 6 years, and K had 6 years of coaching. We have a pretty good idea what we'll get with Marshall, Knight and K were still really young in their coaching careers. 

[KingPG21]

1 minute ago, 8bucks said:

So if you get down past your top tier guys and are choosing between Marshall and a guy like Archie Miller the likelihood for a championship under Archie is just as unknown. Not saying I prefer one over the other but if cannot lure one of the big fish we may be fishing in a pond with some uncertainties.

Do you go with an up and comer who has not been on the big stage long or do you go with a guy that will get you into the tournament just about every year. Arguments can be made for both.

Up and comer. Swing for the fences, think that is just my personality though

[KingPG21]

3 minutes ago, mdn82 said:

I am furthest from a Marshall hire fan, but it is hard to say who could lead us to a championship from any hire unless they have already won.  Indiana is different than every school not named Kentucky, UCLA, Kansas, Duke, and UNC.  The money will always be there for basketball.  Everything else falls in line after basketball.  UCLA might not even be able to say that.  Any coaches that have already won a title, why would they leave?  We are going to be taking a coach from a pool of coaches that has upside in Fred Glass' eyes.  I do not envy him at all.

Eh, I don't even see the possibility with Marshall, immediate or in the distant future. Big if, but if Archie or White panned out I could definitely see a championship in the future. 

[SlamaJamaSisley]

2 hours ago, AZ Hoosier said:

One would hope so, given the schizophrenic run CTC's teams have been on for the past 9 (OK, the past 6) years. Publicly Glass has repeatedly said that Tom's the guy... but even Crean's mother has to see the situation for what it is.

As far as who... I doubt either Stevens or Donovan would be interested. If they are, great... but I really like Bennett, and see him as the attainable #1 option. After that, Marshall and Archie. From there, it's a crapshoot, IMO.

IU caught lighting in a bottle with RMK, and have failed pretty miserably since. Maybe we're due and the basketball gods will smile on us again.

I agree with your point about the past 6 years.  So, 3 sweet 16 appearances, and two conference titles in 6 years, so FIRE HIM? I get it... THIS is Indiana.  

[yogisballin]

Brad underwood? Small sample as far as resume but he must have quite a bit of knowledge on X's and O's. mentioned to see what u guys think


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