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jdailey1981

TOM CREAN FIRED

By jdailey1981, in Indiana Men's Basketball

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recker222000    1,010

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Hey it started before last season began for me. I still tuned into every game. He took advantage of a weak B1G schedge last year. And haven't watched a game since UNC. Have DVR'd the Butler and Neb game. Started to watch the Butler but couldn't get thru the 1st half


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Same with me.

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Dalton26    17,208

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But that's a two sided complaint. There's too many posters that want nothing but doom and gloom posts too. If everyone just acted like adults and didn't get so offended because people disagree one way or the other then we wouldn't even be having this discussion. There are some people who take it as personal attacks because people have different opinions.

People are complaining about modding honestly need to look at the whole picture. Like Pap said we have given out next to no warning points. Regular members don't know but I've actually been looking over old warning points and seeing whether they were warranted or if a mod was just in a pissy mood and overstepped. We actually had a discussion a while back about removing some. Our goal isn't to give everyone warning points and ban everyone because then there would be no BTB. If it's a mod that's doing it let me or another mod know, I have no issue calling anyone out and if it's me doing it bring it to my attention or let another mod know. The mod forum isn't all sunshine and rainbows and everyone telling each other how great we are. If someone is in the wrong we have no issue checking each other. With that said people need to understand that the mod team are normal people too, we have our bad days as well. When the mod team was redone Pap had a talk with me about Josh and I going back and forth so much. He didn't say "hey josh is wrong and you're always right" he called it like he saw it that both of us were in the wrong. I can only speak for myself but I think Josh and I have been just fine since then.


But to get back on topic my opinion of Crean hasn't changed since he was hired. I didn't want him then and I don't want him now.

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mdn82    26,344

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This is the closest place to HSN as there has been the last few years. Wish we did a better job talking him out of selling to 247. Biggest mistake of the last few years. There have been plenty of shots at the old mods. It is what it is. Modding is the most thankless thing you can do. If people are still pissed over the way they felt they were treated over 6 months ago and longer I can only speak for myself and say I am sorry. When we were asked to come here early on before most of you were here we were clear. CCG was clear on what he wanted to do with recruiting. That is why recruiting threads are off limits.

Crazy mood swings drop viewers. We came from a board where eyes were critical and ultimately led to the sale of the best site we had been a part of. That is why we "picked" on extremely happy sunshine people and extremely negative people. This is a new group mostly. Hard to complain about things that happened under a different group. These mods treat situations differently because they want to be the opposite of what we were. Let them build it the way they want.


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8bucks    7,561

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And others can't handle supporting Crean. What's the difference?


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Could we get this thread back on topic. This is the criticize Crean thread not the criticize people who may or may not criticize Crean thread.

We finally get a nice lovely Fire Crean thread so let's keep it on topic.

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Yogi's Picnic Basket    5,004

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Aigne didn't get rid of Doc Rivers. Ainge and ownership wanted Doc to stay, but Doc didn't want to "start over" as the team was getting ready to move on from Pierce and Garnett. Doc didn't want to go back to rebuilding, so Ainge and Doc agreed on a mutal parting of the ways. Doc and Aigne are still close and have a good relationship, and Celtics ownership still loves Doc. 

As as far as Stevens, Aigne and ownership also really, really love him. When the ownership and Aigne really like a coach they will give him plenty of time, losing will not deter them. I was there when the Celtics were really struggling, and fans were screaming for Doc to be fired and it was never even considered by ownership or Ainge, they loved and believed in Doc and they do in Stevens too. 

The he reason for the Celtics slow start this year is simply health. Thomas, Horford and Crowder have all already missed considerable time. When healthy, the Celtics are something like 12-4. They've been really good when healthy. They should advance at least a round in the playoffs this year, and if matchups work out they could go to the ECF. But no, they're not a title contender year. But, the Celtics have a ton of assets and will make some deals to become a contender. 

Lomg story short, the Celtics love Stevens and will be extremely patient with him. My educated guess is that if Stevens leaves the Celtics anytime soon it's because he chose too, not because the Celtics fired him. 




If you truly thank the Celtics wanted Rivers to stay your crazy. It wasn't just rebuilding heck Rivers has said as of a few weeks ago if they lost CP3 that they would be smart to build back from the ground up. The Celtics wanted change and so did Doc. So they both got their wish. I never said Stevens would get fired. I said if he doesn't get close to a title the pressure will be on and knowing he has a huge deal with IU in his back pocket he may see it better than any other time. I also said it isn't even likely he comes for those reasons. Ainge may love Stevens but he loves winning more. He is obsessed with getting a 3rd star and if that doesn't happen their always gonna be top 3-7 in the east. Injuries have been bad for everyone in the NBA this year. I could name at least 20 teams with injury problems. If you follow the NBA my main point was when Doc was traded, Ainge said he "hated" to see him go, but the team was stuck in neutral and it was probably better for both sides. Ainge would rather suck and get high draft picks than be average I promise you that. He wants titles. If he is patient and they get Hayward like I said before IU has no chance at ever getting Stevens again. The Celtics would be a LeBron regression away from taking their spot in the Finals every year, but if they don't and they lose in the first round or maybe even second this year a lot can change. Someone in the media as much as Ainge is isn't Stevens dream scenario either considering everyone leaguewide knows he wants more control of the team. Like I said Stevens isnt getting fired...even said it isnt even likely we have a shot, but if we do it's not even after this year it is next year. It would take the Celtics to continue being a playoff team nothing more or Hayward or that 3rd star that want not coming this offseason to even question a move on either side. Stevens wont EVER get fired from any job he ever holds. Even his rookie year in the NBA guys said he was probably the best coach not named Popovich in the league.

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Yogi's Picnic Basket    5,004

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What I meant by saying Ainge would go into panic mode isn't firing him it is making roster changes that Stevens doesn't agree with, making his job hard to do and so forth which would make him think about leaving for another job. I think Stevens personality is more suited for college as well. He could coach any sport and he would be at the top, but I think he will be tired of being second in charge and most NBA teams he would be that. If he finds a team offering a Doc or Pop role he could take that but I truly think he thrives on the pressure of being the Celtics coach. That's why it is the Celtics, IU, UNC, UK, KU or Duke for him IMO. Were just lucky he loves the state of Indiana or we probably wouldn't have a shot. I guess UCLA or Zona could be added. Whatever top school loses a coach to retirement first.

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5 minutes ago, Yogi's Picnic Basket said:

 

 


If you truly thank the Celtics wanted Rivers to stay your crazy. It wasn't just rebuilding heck Rivers has said as of a few weeks ago if they lost CP3 that they would be smart to build back from the ground up. The Celtics wanted change and so did Doc. So they both got their wish. I never said Stevens would get fired. I said if he doesn't get close to a title the pressure will be on and knowing he has a huge deal with IU in his back pocket he may see it better than any other time. I also said it isn't even likely he comes for those reasons. Ainge may love Stevens but he loves winning more. He is obsessed with getting a 3rd star and if that doesn't happen their always gonna be top 3-7 in the east. Injuries have been bad for everyone in the NBA this year. I could name at least 20 teams with injury problems. If you follow the NBA my main point was when Doc was traded, Ainge said he "hated" to see him go, but the team was stuck in neutral and it was probably better for both sides. Ainge would rather suck and get high draft picks than be average I promise you that. He wants titles. If he is patient and they get Hayward like I said before IU has no chance at ever getting Stevens again. The Celtics would be a LeBron regression away from taking their spot in the Finals every year, but if they don't and they lose in the first round or maybe even second this year a lot can change. Someone in the media as much as Ainge is isn't Stevens dream scenario either considering everyone leaguewide knows he wants more control of the team. Like I said Stevens isnt getting fired...even said it isnt even likely we have a shot, but if we do it's not even after this year it is next year. It would take the Celtics to continue being a playoff team nothing more or Hayward or that 3rd star that want not coming this offseason to even question a move on either side. Stevens wont EVER get fired from any job he ever holds. Even his rookie year in the NBA guys said he was probably the best coach not named Popovich in the league.

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I'm not crazy, Ainge loves Doc and so does the Celtics ownership. Doc didn't want to go through a rebuild, so he and Ainge mutually agreed that it would be best to move on. The reason Doc is ok with a rebuild in LA is because he's not just the coach he's also the president of bball operations. But, Ainge wanted Doc to stay, they signed him to like a 5 year contract a year or two before the rebuild started. 

Both Ainge and the Celtics ownership are extremely loyal to coaches they believe in (believe in is the key part) and they believe in Stevens. Believe me I know, I was in meetings with the ownership when fans and media were screaming for Doc to be fired and Wyc always assured everyone that Doc was their guy and he wasn't going anywhere, this was behind closed doors. Stevens may get pressure from the media and fans, but it won't be from Ainge and the ownership. 

Yes, I follow the NBA and know exactly what Ainge's plan is, I followed it up close and personal the first time. Ainge and the ownership have been extremely patient in this rebuild and are following the same model they did with the previous one. They'll stick by the coach, and Ainge will continue to accumulate assets until they can land another big fish or two via trade. They've got Brooklyn's unprotected lottery pics the next two years and will either trade those pics for stars, or draft those slots and trade the players they pick once they establish themselves, as they did with Al Jefferson, Gerald Green, Delonte West, etc.. But, they won't get impatient with Stevens while they work through that process of find the right pieces on the court. 

I do agree that Stevens could get antsy, and tired of waiting, and leave on his own. Thought I think he's probably too smart for that unless some incredible dream job better than the Celtics comes up (not sure what that would be), or if for some reason he tires of the long NBA season, though I think he really likes the NBA. 

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8 minutes ago, Yogi's Picnic Basket said:

What I meant by saying Ainge would go into panic mode isn't firing him it is making roster changes that Stevens doesn't agree with, making his job hard to do and so forth which would make him think about leaving for another job. I think Stevens personality is more suited for college as well. He could coach any sport and he would be at the top, but I think he will be tired of being second in charge and most NBA teams he would be that. If he finds a team offering a Doc or Pop role he could take that but I truly think he thrives on the pressure of being the Celtics coach. That's why it is the Celtics, IU, UNC, UK, KU or Duke for him IMO. Were just lucky he loves the state of Indiana or we probably wouldn't have a shot. I guess UCLA or Zona could be added. Whatever top school loses a coach to retirement first.

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Thanks for clarifying, I get your point much clearer now, and completely agree. It would be Stevens getting impatient or tired of the rebuild, not the Celtics/Ainge. 

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